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Old 02-04-2013, 08:38 PM   #2881
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I still don't get why they go to all the trouble to make and import non-abs bikes in the middleweight category.

Because MOST people still don't want them and don't want to pay for them.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:48 PM   #2882
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Because MOST people still don't want them and don't want to pay for them.
98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Really though, we don't know how many would pay for it, since it isn't an option on many models. Nice to see Honda offering it on damn near everything, particularly the entire line of 500s.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:20 PM   #2883
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I will never buy a.b.s. bikes without the option of dis abeling the "Nanny" and would prefer not to have well intentioned people / manufactureres / government burocrats make choices for me...
Go down a dirt or gravel road and try to stop with them activated....
IF you live thru the experience, you have qualified to speak to me on the subject..... :
AND I resent whoever makes the call, however well intentioned, to ram it down my gullet like a full blown "Safety Nazi"from D.C. that's out to "Help Me".
No thanks!!!
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Because MOST people still don't want them and don't want to pay for them.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:09 AM   #2884
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Because MOST people still don't want them and don't want to pay for them.
We've butted heads on this before and we'll keep doing it. I call bull on that.

MOST people where?

Look at all the threads about bikes that go to the US and all the people that say that they won't buy one without ABS.

And i don't know about the States but bikes wthout ABS languish on sales floors here exactly because of that.

Mind you that both my Triumphs are sans ABS. I'm just pointing out that consumers have bought the ABS concept on bikes. Especially the newer generation of riders.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:45 AM   #2885
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Kawasaki doesn't have a motor that meets those specs. Neither do any of the other big 4, really, unless you want a massively retuned GSX750
They just redid the Z750 (made it 800cc), but the weight is anything but
"down, way down".

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Old 02-05-2013, 04:44 AM   #2886
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Randy - Right On! I just bought a first gen SV and put a viper pipe with DC killer on it and it just sounds so very sweet. Love it. I had a Ducati Montster 904 with Arrow pipes and the SV comes closest to sound perfect. VTwins make all the right mechanical noises even Virago's sound good. Some parrallel twins sound good Triumph's old Yamaha XS650's, but the new gen Kawasaki just sound like big single blat blat sort of.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:47 AM   #2887
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Randy - Right On! I just bought a first gen SV and put a viper pipe with DC killer on it and it just sounds so very sweet. Love it. I had a Ducati Montster 904 with Arrow pipes and the SV comes closest to sound perfect. VTwins make all the right mechanical noises even Virago's sound good. Some parrallel twins sound good Triumph's old Yamaha XS650's, but the new gen Kawasaki just sound like big single blat blat sort of.
+1

I never liked the sound of my 650R, maybe only up to around 4000.
It still sounds better then the F800 BMW IMHO.

The parallel twin in the Honda NC700 series sounds like a v-twin.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:37 AM   #2888
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+1

The parallel twin in the Honda NC700 series sounds like a v-twin.
Never heard the NC700, but yeah, parallel twins CAN be made to sound pretty good. Triumph did just that with their Scrambler when they put in a 270* crank.

Gotta admit, this bike sounds pretty sweet!







But, most others just sound too blatty to me...


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Old 02-05-2013, 07:23 AM   #2889
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Never heard the NC700, but yeah, parallel twins CAN be made to sound pretty good. Triumph did just that with their Scrambler when they put in a 270* crank.
Yeah, the NC 700 also got the 270 crank..
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:32 AM   #2890
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They just redid the Z750 (made it 800cc), but the weight is anything but
"down, way down".

Another awesome bike that we don't get in the US.... Which doesn't surprise me considering how 'well' the FZ8 is doing here... US sport riders generally want the fully faired real deal. Those that don't buy Monsters, Speed Triples, Tuenos, or some other naked Euro bike. The bigger bore nude Japanese don't do nearly as well. The Z1000 pretty much proves that. I see ten ZX10R's for each Z1000 on the roads.

Shame because I would love a GSR750.

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Old 02-05-2013, 07:41 AM   #2891
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Another awesome bike that we don't get in the US.... Which doesn't surprise me considering how 'well' the FZ8 is doing here... US sport riders generally want the fully faired real deal. Those that don't buy Monsters, Speed Triples, Tuenos, or some other naked Euro bike. The bigger bore nude Japanese don't do nearly as well. The Z1000 pretty much proves that. I see ten ZX10R's for each Z1000 on the roads.

Shame because I would love a GSR750.

Sweet looking bike! In fact, that's the first Suzuki I've said that about it quite a few years. Now, if Suzuki could just package the SV650 v-twin, or better yet,a 750 version, in it instead of that Gladious thing, or whatever it's called now.....


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Old 02-05-2013, 08:53 AM   #2892
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I absolutely get that, but on the one hand abs can't be added the way a suspension can be modified, and on the other, it doesn't cost nearly what they charge for it as an option. I can't wait for the euro standards to take effect, but even after that we will still see non abs bikes - where else do they sell them? It is absurd that bikes like the fz8, the versys, the cb1000r and the svf650 aren't available with abs in the US when they are available with abs virtually everywhere else in the world.

oh, and on topic, I still want an R1200R. (with abs, of course)
One of the reasons manufacturers have been reluctant to sell bikes with ABS in the U.S. is our litigiousness, and idiotic liability laws. The concern has been that if they mass-market bikes with ABS, sooner or later some idiot is going to crash, and sue the bike maker because the ABS didn't prevent the crash.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:56 AM   #2893
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One of the reasons manufacturers have been reluctant to sell bikes with ABS in the U.S. is our litigiousness, and idiotic liability laws. The concern has been that if they mass-market bikes with ABS, sooner or later some idiot is going to crash, and sue the bike maker because the ABS didn't prevent the crash.

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The "idiots" are actually more likely to blame ABS for crashing, not
blame it for not helping them not to crash.

(And I'm sure 20 people who never had ABS on a bike will jump on this..)
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:06 AM   #2894
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The "idiots" are actually more likely to blame ABS for crashing, not
blame it for not helping them not to crash.

(And I'm sure 20 people who never had ABS on a bike will jump on this..)
Either way, they will file a suit and the manufacturer will have to spend more money to defend themselves than the ABS makes in profits.

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either way, they will file a suit and the manufacturer will have to spend more money to defend themselves than the abs makes in profits.

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