What bike do you want today?

[Randy]

Originally Posted by Cortez

+1

The parallel twin in the Honda NC700 series sounds like a v-twin.

Never heard the NC700, but yeah, parallel twins CAN be made to sound pretty good. Triumph did just that with their Scrambler when they put in a 270* crank.

Gotta admit, this bike sounds pretty sweet!







But, most others just sound too blatty to me...

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Randy

Never heard the NC700, but yeah, parallel twins CAN be made to sound pretty good. Triumph did just that with their Scrambler when they put in a 270* crank.

Yeah, the NC 700 also got the 270 crank..

[Tim_Tom]

Originally Posted by Cortez

They just redid the Z750 (made it 800cc), but the weight is anything but
"down, way down".

Another awesome bike that we don't get in the US.... Which doesn't surprise me considering how 'well' the FZ8 is doing here... US sport riders generally want the fully faired real deal. Those that don't buy Monsters, Speed Triples, Tuenos, or some other naked Euro bike. The bigger bore nude Japanese don't do nearly as well. The Z1000 pretty much proves that. I see ten ZX10R's for each Z1000 on the roads.

Shame because I would love a GSR750.

[Randy]

Originally Posted by Tim_Tom

Another awesome bike that we don't get in the US.... Which doesn't surprise me considering how 'well' the FZ8 is doing here... US sport riders generally want the fully faired real deal. Those that don't buy Monsters, Speed Triples, Tuenos, or some other naked Euro bike. The bigger bore nude Japanese don't do nearly as well. The Z1000 pretty much proves that. I see ten ZX10R's for each Z1000 on the roads.

Shame because I would love a GSR750.

Sweet looking bike! In fact, that's the first Suzuki I've said that about it quite a few years. Now, if Suzuki could just package the SV650 v-twin, or better yet,a 750 version, in it instead of that Gladious thing, or whatever it's called now.....

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by ph0rk

I absolutely get that, but on the one hand abs can't be added the way a suspension can be modified, and on the other, it doesn't cost nearly what they charge for it as an option. I can't wait for the euro standards to take effect, but even after that we will still see non abs bikes - where else do they sell them? It is absurd that bikes like the fz8, the versys, the cb1000r and the svf650 aren't available with abs in the US when they are available with abs virtually everywhere else in the world.

oh, and on topic, I still want an R1200R. (with abs, of course)

One of the reasons manufacturers have been reluctant to sell bikes with ABS in the U.S. is our litigiousness, and idiotic liability laws. The concern has been that if they mass-market bikes with ABS, sooner or later some idiot is going to crash, and sue the bike maker because the ABS didn't prevent the crash.

PhilB

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by PhilB

One of the reasons manufacturers have been reluctant to sell bikes with ABS in the U.S. is our litigiousness, and idiotic liability laws. The concern has been that if they mass-market bikes with ABS, sooner or later some idiot is going to crash, and sue the bike maker because the ABS didn't prevent the crash.

PhilB

The "idiots" are actually more likely to blame ABS for crashing, not
blame it for not helping them not to crash.

(And I'm sure 20 people who never had ABS on a bike will jump on this..)

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Cortez

The "idiots" are actually more likely to blame ABS for crashing, not
blame it for not helping them not to crash.

(And I'm sure 20 people who never had ABS on a bike will jump on this..)

Either way, they will file a suit and the manufacturer will have to spend more money to defend themselves than the ABS makes in profits.

PhilB

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by philb

either way, they will file a suit and the manufacturer will have to spend more money to defend themselves than the abs makes in profits.

Philb

+1

[cls]

Wow, a lot of activity in a hurry. Nice!

-Yep, Kawi has an 800 available. Furthermore, they have the ability to make it, if they wish.
-The Z800 is waaaaay heavy.
-More low-mid power is my specialty. I'd like it from a bigger bore engine than a 650 (Though I love my Versys. My other bikes have it done very nicely but they're heavy. I don't like heavy. Heavy is my new enemy. Lighter is better.).
-I don't do ABS if I can help it. If I can't help it, I may concede for a particular bike but that hasn't happened, yet. Great idea and safer, I have no doubt. Just not my 'druthers, as of yet.
-The price of the bike is not a big deal to me. I go through way too many of them and I love these things. If I can find what I want that doesn't require me (Or make me want to) have so many bikes at once, I'd still come out way ahead.
-You have to be really careful when you start telling other people what they should/shouldn't do or think. It's a slippery slope...

All good fun, gentlemen. I love to play. Bring on the high end Versys 800, done right. By my definition, of course.

[D.T.]

Yep, that GSR 750 Suzuki is sweet! Just make it a V-twin instead! That is what the gladiass should have been.

[single]

Originally Posted by PhilB

One of the reasons manufacturers have been reluctant to sell bikes with ABS in the U.S. is our litigiousness, and idiotic liability laws. The concern has been that if they mass-market bikes with ABS, sooner or later some idiot is going to crash, and sue the bike maker because the ABS didn't prevent the crash.

PhilB

While that may be a small reason I don't think it registers in company boardrooms. After all there is a long history of ABS applications in cars and it presumably has a well fortified litigious protection history.

The main reason more bikes don't have ABS is frankly most riders in the US don't want it (or don't want to pay for it). It's an extremely price sensitive market, and just a glance at the used market for motorcycles with ABS versus without for bikes offered with both will tell you the story.

The cynical side of me would also add that in order to have the presence of mind to actually seek out a bike with ABS in the first place requires a sensibility among the motorcycle buying demographic that I believe just doesn't exist in this country obsessed with sport bikes and harleys.

[dmac57]

Okay, let's step over the dead horse and get back to bikes we want. Methinks discussion of ABS, liability, helmets, oil, and the like can be diverted to other forums/threads.

I dig the GSR-750.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by single

While that may be a small reason I don't think it registers in company boardrooms. After all there is a long history of ABS applications in cars and it presumably has a well fortified litigious protection history.

The main reason more bikes don't have ABS is frankly most riders in the US don't want it (or don't want to pay for it). It's an extremely price sensitive market, and just a glance at the used market for motorcycles with ABS versus without for bikes offered with both will tell you the story.

The cynical side of me would also add that in order to have the presence of mind to actually seek out a bike with ABS in the first place requires a sensibility among the motorcycle buying demographic that I believe just doesn't exist in this country obsessed with sport bikes and harleys.

+1 too.

[Cortez]

[Tom-Nor]

About ABS, in Europe its soon not possible to buy a motorbike without ABS, and i think thats just posetiv.

This is the bike that i want today,tomorrow and the day after, comes with ABS as standard