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Old 02-04-2013, 09:37 AM   #31
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As a dentist I have to point out that floridating the water is one of the 20th centuries greatest health accomplishments, right up there with the polio vaccine.

We're all adults and we can make our own decisions, but the science and research is firmly in the camp of floridating water, not the opposite.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:58 AM   #32
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/248275.php

"This new paper does not raise valid concerns about community water fluoridation (CWF) in the USA. It reviewed data on IQ scores for children living in areas of China, Mongolia and Iran where the water supplies have unusually high, natural fluoride levels. Because of high fluoride coal and high fluoride content tea use and a general lack of good drinking water standards, even those which included low fluoride areas may well have been exposed to fluoride intake far beyond that in the US.

Of interest is the fact that the one study which compared low, optimal (1ppm) and high fluoride found IQ to be highest at the concentration used for preventing cavities: "By testing of the intellectual ability of 447 elementary school students ranging in age from 9 to 10 1/2, it was discovered that both high and low fluoride had an effect on child intelligence. Fluoride levels greater than 2.0 mg/L or less than 0.2 mg/L can disrupt intellectual development."

SOURCE: Qin LS, Cui SY. (1990). The influence of drinking water fluoride on pupils IQ, as measured by Rui Wen's standards. Chinese Journal of the Control of Endemic Diseases 5:203-204."
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:41 PM   #33
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You can drive up to Ned to fill you water. Here's the email I just got back from our town administrator:

"Thanks for your question. We do not fluoridate our water in Nederland. However, there is a naturally occurring fluoride level that we monitor in our water testing. In our most recent test, collected Jan. 10, the fluoride level registered at 0.13 mg per liter of water. The current EPA drinking water standard (limit) for fluoride is 4.0 mg per liter of water. Here is more information about fluoride in drinking water from the EPA: http://water.epa.gov/lawsregs/rulesr...onsAnswers.pdf"
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:00 PM   #34
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Where do I send my pee to be analyzed?

This now reminds me of an oil thread
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:23 PM   #35
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:44 PM   #36
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RO Systems have gotten very inexpensive. This is the one I've got in my house. My understanding is that it removes most of the flouride.

http://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-WHER.../dp/B004S7TAK2
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:15 PM   #37
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As a dentist I have to point out that floridating the water is one of the 20th centuries greatest health accomplishments, right up there with the polio vaccine.

We're all adults and we can make our own decisions, but the science and research is firmly in the camp of floridating water, not the opposite.
yes every dentist has that viewpoint.

i'd just prefer my water to be closer to it's pure form (I know that's difficult) and i'll decide what goes in there from there.

i follow this. http://www.fluoridealert.org/articles/absurdity/

Fluoridation is UNETHICAL because:

1) It violates the individual’s right to informed consent to medication.
2) The municipality cannot control the dose of the patient.
3) The municipality cannot track each individual’s response.
4) It ignores the fact that some people are more vulnerable to fluoride’s toxic effects than others. Some people will suffer while others may benefit.
5) It violates the Nuremberg code for human experimentation.
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RO Systems have gotten very inexpensive. This is the one I've got in my house. My understanding is that it removes most of the flouride.

http://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-WHER.../dp/B004S7TAK2
i'll talk to the folks again at Sprouts and get the RO equipment mfg info so I can call them directly and ask. the water guy keep saying fluoride is still in there but that does not make him the expert. if that's the case i'm cool with filling up with their system as the water taste is great & the price per gallon is cheap.
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oh i'm just picky...I prefer clean water (& air).
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:56 AM   #40
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The scare about fluoride reminds me of all the hoopla about vaccines and parents who don't want their kids to have them.

Back in the mid 1970s, Lake George, NY, announced that they were going to begin fluoridation of the water on X date. Then they started putting it in three months ahead of that "announced" date. For three months there was not one complaint. Then, miraculously, within one week after the "announced date" there were all kinds of complaints - bleeding gums, teeth falling out, terrible head aches, blurred vision, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. The local paper ran an article stating that the water had contained the fluoride for the past three months because the water department expected that this foolishness would ensue . . . and the complaints stopped. Immediately. So too, apparently, did the "problems."

I'm not a scientist and don't claim to know the real answers as regards if it's good or bad for you, but I've seen how the mind-over-matter aspect in some of these things seems to have more of an impact than the actual item in question.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:11 PM   #41
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oh i'm just picky...I prefer clean water (& air).
That's not being a good 'Merican. If the government tells you it's safe, then it is. No need to question. Now be a good boy and go buy something you see on TV to help the economy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:19 PM   #42
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Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?

Since the thread is already derailed - Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?





I'm a chemist, and was a biochemist in a former life. I'm not going to comment on the studies. People will pick and choose their data to advance their agenda, science be damned. However I will say that if you're going to worry about flouridated water dumbing down you or your children, you might want to also worry about the other 10^5 dangerous chemicals you are exposed to every single day. Bisphenols/environmental estrogens, particulate matter from vehicle exhaust, high fructose corn syrup, toxic heavy metals naturally present in the Colorado dirt ... I could go on and on ...

I just think there are plenty of other serious toxicity issues in a modern day life that make the 1ppm of fluouride in water seem insubstantial in comparison. [/soapbox]
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"toxic heavy metals naturally present in the Colorado dirt ... I could go on and on ...

Yeah, but it's not like any of us ever eat dirt... oh, wait,... never mind
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"toxic heavy metals naturally present in the Colorado dirt ... I could go on and on ...

Yeah, but it's not like any of us ever eat dirt... oh, wait,... never mind


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Old 02-05-2013, 04:10 PM   #45
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i'll talk to the folks again at Sprouts and get the RO equipment mfg info so I can call them directly and ask. the water guy keep saying fluoride is still in there but that does not make him the expert. if that's the case i'm cool with filling up with their system as the water taste is great & the price per gallon is cheap.
Yep, R/O gets rid of all the bad stuff and is simple. I think it is like 99% pure. I couldn't tell ya for sure if it gets out floride but if I were a bettin man, I'd bet it does.

The flow isn't monstously huge though and you'll only have so much 'pure' water at any one time. It stores the pure water in a tank for you. Change the filters once a year...depending upon how much water you use.

To me, the simplicity and convenience is worth any extra cost. I do not want to hassle with hauling a jug or a tank or anything to a water source. Especially if I had to do it frequently! Now...if I lived in Eldorado Canyon, I'd do what all the locals do over there and go fill up for free at my convenience (at least it used to be free...haven't been over there in years). If you have to drive 20 mi to get water and get 20 mpg, thats $3+. How many trips, how much cost, whats your time worth?

Filter it yourself is still my suggestion.
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