Yooperbikemike's 2013 MotoGP Thread

[Moronic]

Originally Posted by brents347

But if the perception among the many (like around here) is that Hayden outroad Rossi on the Duc, does that not count for anything? Rossi may have beat Hayden in the points, but if everyone thinks the opposite is true... does anyone go back to look up season points for positions 6 through 9?

There is what people might think, and then there is what you can put on your resume.

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by Moronic

There is what people might think, and then there is what you can put on your resume.

The people in the paddock don't need to look at anyone's resume. They know.

[RichBeBe]

I was curious and graphed all of the races from 2012 that both Rossi and Hayden finished. Of course racing only counts if you finish.

[kyns]

Originally Posted by RichBeBe

I was curious and graphed all of the races from 2012 that both Rossi and Hayden finished. Of course racing only counts if you finish.

So, the lower the graph, the better.

From those 13 races Rossi finished ahead of Nicky in 8 races. And Nicky ahead of The Doctor in 5 races.

You could have used yellow on the Rossi graph.. :)

[Pecha72]

For a good part of last year Rossi wasn't really pushing 100% I think. He'd seen the bike's a turd, can't get on the rostrum, and knew he wasn't gonna stay, so to try stubbornly and risk crashing and injuring yourself probably didn't seem like a wise thing to do.

Btw, Hayden is lucky to be alive and well after that bizarre crash and flight @ Aragon.

[brents347]

Originally Posted by RichBeBe

I was curious and graphed all of the races from 2012 that both Rossi and Hayden finished. Of course racing only counts if you finish.

Rossis average finish about 6.5.
Haydens average finish about 7.5.

[Pecha72]

To finish tenth, first you have to finish...

[kyns]

Originally Posted by Kropotkin

The steel trellis frame was crap. Stoner begged Ducati to give him the carbon frame as soon as he tested it, it was so much better.

Ok, cool. I tought the carbon frame was part of the problem.

[RichBeBe]

Originally Posted by kyns

You could have used yellow on the Rossi graph.. :)

BTW Nicky had more DNF's and DNS's.
I like Nicky and he is talented but not in Rossi's league IMO. Yes he did beat him on 06 but that is the only time. Also the only time I remember Rossi actually folding under pressure.
However if you put Hayden and Rossi on the same Yamaha's it wouldn't be close. On the tail end of his career I predict Rossi will tie or beat Hayden's career win total of three.

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by RichBeBe

I like Nicky and he is talented but not in Rossi's league IMO.

I don't think anyone is questioning that. Nicky did compare quite favorably to the GOAT, though, regularly out qualifying and out racing him.

So, I think the point is, Nicky is better than the equipment and team situations he has been stuck with might suggest.

The numbers would be even closer if Nicky hadn't tried to give Ducati podium glory at Mugello.

[Pecha72]

Originally Posted by Kropotkin

Ducati don't need a 2007 bike, they need 2007 circumstances: a custom-built tire, Honda and Yamaha aiming at the wrong target (agility instead of fuel efficiency), and the mercurial talent of Casey Stoner. None of those factors are currently available to them. that's their problem.

Exactly. Can't take anything away from Stoner, but there were other important factors in their favour that year. Only 6 years, but really seems like a long time ago now!

[advNZer?]

Originally Posted by Pecha72

Exactly. Can't take anything away from Stoner, but there were other important factors in their favour that year. Only 6 years, but really seems like a long time ago now!

it was the first year of the 800s and the 20?L fuel limit.Honda and yamaha were conservative with the power to ensure they could finish.Ducati werent figuring they could roll back the throttle if they needed

[Kropotkin]

Originally Posted by kyns

Ok, cool. I tought the carbon frame was part of the problem.

I didn't say that there wasn't a problem with the carbon. But the steel trellis was much worse.

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by advNZer?

it was the first year of the 800s and the 20?L fuel limit.Honda and yamaha were conservative with the power to ensure they could finish.Ducati werent figuring they could roll back the throttle if they needed

If it wasn't for that whining, pesky little Ozzie their plans would have worked too.

[Parx400]

Originally Posted by Kropotkin

The steel trellis frame was crap. Stoner begged Ducati to give him the carbon frame as soon as he tested it, it was so much better.

Ducati don't need a 2007 bike, they need 2007 circumstances: a custom-built tire, Honda and Yamaha aiming at the wrong target (agility instead of fuel efficiency), and the mercurial talent of Casey Stoner. None of those factors are currently available to them. that's their problem.

Careful you may upset Rossi fan bois with that statement. They pray to the alter of "the 2007 Ducati was so good that its the only reason Stoner beat Rossi".