HB1632 - ATV road use - Page 2

MasterMarine · 02-13-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tod701

HB1632 Section 8 reads as follows, but may be amended to change "operator" to "registered owner":

(1) A person who operates a wheeled all-terrain vehicle upon public lands must do so consistent with the local land management requirements or the emergency exceptions under RCW 46.09.420.

(2) A violation of this section is a traffic infraction with a penalty of up to five hundred dollars.

(3) Any law enforcement officer may issue a notice of traffic infraction for a violation of subsection (1) of this section whether or not the infraction was committed in the officer's presence, as long as there is reasonable evidence presented that the operator of the wheeled all-terrain vehicle committed a violation of subsection (1) of this section. At a minimum, the evidence must include information relating to the time and location at which the violation occurred, and the wheeled all-terrain vehicle metal tag number or a description of the vehicle involved in the violation. If, after an investigation of a reported violation of subsection (1) of this section, the law enforcement officer is able to identify the operator and has probable cause to believe a violation of subsection (1) of this section has occurred, the law enforcement officer shall prepare a notice of traffic infraction and have it served upon the operator of the wheeled all- terrain vehicle.

In the text of the bill, it defines a "wheeled all terrain vehicle" as a 4 wheeled vehicle with handlebars so how is any of this relevant to a motorcycle?

K7MDL · 02-14-2013, 12:56 AM

It is only a few words away from adding the definition of a motorcycle. One step closer for the haters to apply this to us if this gets through as written. This bill as written is a small step to pushing motorized vehicles out of the forests and public lands. Once the precedence is set, it is only a matter of time before there is an effort to expand this to all ORVs.

yondering · 02-14-2013, 09:48 AM

Agreed. Don't forget, to the general public, there is very little difference between motorcycles and 4-wheelers.

kwisn · 02-14-2013, 10:37 AM

I just received this from Rep Hayes.

"Thanks for the information about Section 8 in HB 1632. I have received a couple of emails from others who also express their concern about this part of the bill. I understand your concerns and will be talking with Representative Shea about the possibility of amending this section to make it more acceptable. This bill has not yet been heard in committee, so we have some time for negotiations. So please give me some time to work on this and consider the options. "

Remember this guy! He cares enough to respond.

kwisn · 02-14-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterMarine

In the text of the bill, it defines a "wheeled all terrain vehicle" as a 4 wheeled vehicle with handlebars so how is any of this relevant to a motorcycle?

Mike, camel nose/tent thing.

tod701 · 02-14-2013, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwisn

I just received this from Rep Hayes.

"Thanks for the information about Section 8 in HB 1632. I have received a couple of emails from others who also express their concern about this part of the bill. I understand your concerns and will be talking with Representative Shea about the possibility of amending this section to make it more acceptable. This bill has not yet been heard in committee, so we have some time for negotiations. So please give me some time to work on this and consider the options. "

Remember this guy! He cares enough to respond.

Hayes is a rookie, but so far he seems like one of the good guys.

He is the prime sponsor of HB1755, one of my Discover Pass bills

kwisn · 02-14-2013, 08:04 PM

Let's get him on our side while he's new.

In all seriousness, it was nice of him to take the time out of his schedule to email chat with me. It's great to be able to bypass the aides.

tod701 · 02-14-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kwisn

Let's get him on our side while he's new.

In all seriousness, it was nice of him to take the time out of his schedule to email chat with me. It's great to be able to bypass the aides.

And Haye's aide, Tawnya is OK too.
Don't underestimate the value of a good relationship with the aides.
They can be the key that unlocks the doors.

Rainier_Rider · 02-15-2013, 05:49 PM

ATV's in MT & ID are plated and legally run on county & forest service roads.
They're required to have some things like brake lights and mirror to name a few.
With the exception of the occasional kids spinning up dust, I've never seen an issue. I've even seen people on the trail stop to pick up garbage.

tod701 · 02-15-2013, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainier_Rider

ATV's in MT & ID are plated and legally run on county & forest service roads.
They're required to have some things like brake lights and mirror to name a few.
With the exception of the occasional kids spinning up dust, I've never seen an issue. I've even seen people on the trail stop to pick up garbage.

I don't have a problem with quads on roads.
Its the new penalties that are included in this legislation that bothers me.

kwisn · 02-16-2013, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tod701

and haye's aide, tawnya is ok too.
Don't underestimate the value of a good relationship with the aides.
They can be the key that unlocks the doors.

02-14-2013, 10:37 AM	#19
kwisn One Happy Dog Joined: May 2008 Location: Griffonderosa Dog Ranch Oddometer: 6,771	I just received this from Rep Hayes. "Thanks for the information about Section 8 in HB 1632. I have received a couple of emails from others who also express their concern about this part of the bill. I understand your concerns and will be talking with Representative Shea about the possibility of amending this section to make it more acceptable. This bill has not yet been heard in committee, so we have some time for negotiations. So please give me some time to work on this and consider the options. " Remember this guy! He cares enough to respond. __________________ kwisn

02-14-2013, 08:04 PM	#22
kwisn One Happy Dog Joined: May 2008 Location: Griffonderosa Dog Ranch Oddometer: 6,771	Let's get him on our side while he's new. In all seriousness, it was nice of him to take the time out of his schedule to email chat with me. It's great to be able to bypass the aides. __________________ kwisn

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Rainier_Rider Gone Joined: Jan 2008 Location: Delete this account. Oddometer: 1,560	ATV's in MT & ID are plated and legally run on county & forest service roads. They're required to have some things like brake lights and mirror to name a few. With the exception of the occasional kids spinning up dust, I've never seen an issue. I've even seen people on the trail stop to pick up garbage. __________________ Delete account.

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02-14-2013, 12:56 AM	#17
K7MDL TE450, TE610 Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Snohomish, WA Oddometer: 1,507	It is only a few words away from adding the definition of a motorcycle. One step closer for the haters to apply this to us if this gets through as written. This bill as written is a small step to pushing motorized vehicles out of the forests and public lands. Once the precedence is set, it is only a matter of time before there is an effort to expand this to all ORVs.

02-14-2013, 09:48 AM	#18
yondering Beastly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2009 Location: NW Wa. state Oddometer: 1,078	Agreed. Don't forget, to the general public, there is very little difference between motorcycles and 4-wheelers.