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Old 02-21-2013, 04:37 PM   #1486
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So would you also be against one of the World MX racers coming over to do the first couple races, as they have done in the past? Certainly Everts (in his day) or Cairoli could run at the front. What about if it was toward the end of the series instead of the first couple races, would that be different?
Good questions.
Opening rounds, maybe.
Later rounds,no way.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:45 PM   #1487
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Good questions.
Opening rounds, maybe.
Later rounds,no way.
Points taken are points taken.
Doesn't matter if its beginning,middle or end of a series.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:56 PM   #1488
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thats not the point. the fact that Tomac will suddenly be lining up on a 450 and can potentially have an outcome on the series final standings and champion after there are already 7 of 16 races in the books is.
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Good questions.
Opening rounds, maybe.
Later rounds,no way.


You can't pick and choose who is or isn't allowed to race because the AMA already did. If you have pro-class license and qualify then even YOU should be allowed to race.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:05 PM   #1489
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Tell that to the AMA when they boot people out of the 250 class.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:10 PM   #1490
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I agree the "lights" class is broken,always has been.
When it's cheaper to run a 450 than a 250 something needs to be done.
Also East/West has always been abused.
Again,good intentions to keep traveling expenses down but abused by all the top teams for years.

Disallowing a racer from competing in a class he can legally participate in though is just wrong.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:29 PM   #1491
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I agree the "lights" class is broken,always has been.
When it's cheaper to run a 450 than a 250 something needs to be done.
Also East/West has always been abused.
Again,good intentions to keep traveling expenses down but abused by all the top teams for years.

Disallowing a racer from competing in a class he can legally participate in though is just wrong.
Yup,Ryan V's dad told us on a dualsport ride in nor cal that 2 hours was about the limit for a hard ridden 250 in pro level Supercross,the cases can crack,the crank is shot,the whole engine comes apart and a new one is slotted in. Fine for a Pro-Circuit bike or other top contender.
How does a mid packer pay for that stuff? It's damn pricey to build a fast 250 these days.

The "pointing out" thing is an AMA creation,the 250 class is more competitive if anything then the 450 class.



(I hope Dungey wins this weekend,I just like seeing orange on the top of the Podium) I do feel Davy M deserves a title though.
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:59 PM   #1492
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I never said to single anyone out, Tomac by his move to the 450's comes under the spotlight and becomes the point of debate. the series is supposedly set up as a "junior series" (Lites) to allow "beginner" pro's the chance to ride on the big stage without taxing their resources to much by making them try to get to all 16 events

And, allowing them to bump up a class while on break to see if they are ready for the big class. At the same time giving the fans a treat to see how your favorite 250 guy does in the 450 class.

There is no TEAM racing mentality in this sport anymore. Did you not see the pass Brayton put on Grant, in a heat race no less.

Personally I like the way SX works. The day seems to flow really well, at least at the live events that I've been to (and its well put together on TV). Which is good for us cause it means more coverage.

The track should be really good this weekend.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:30 PM   #1493
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Tell that to the AMA when they boot people out of the 250 class.
The only limit I know of there is that you can only win the Championship twice, then you have to leave.
I know you mentioned Tomac, but this has been happening for years. Last year Barcia rode some.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:33 PM   #1494
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t. Tomac is going up in class so you can't call it cherry picking.
I'm not saying he's cherry picking the 450's I'm saying in an abstract way he is cherry picking the 250's, though I don't fault him.

the way the sport is set up they've inadvertantly created cherry picking in the 250 class and equipment does play a role. 250 regional SX titles are not regarded with the same prestige as 450 titles are. Barcia is a good example. He's been training for years for his pro career and he was obviously ready. But his 2 titles are now just after thoughts now that he has "moved up". It wasn't broke and they fixed it and ruined potential all time careers. Clearly superior riders like Roczen and Tomac riding the 250's the way things are now is akin to a guy with enough points in C class not moving up to B and dominating the C's for as long as he can. Or B's who should be up with the A's. It's not Tomacs fault but if Barcia and RV were still riding 250's maybe Tomac and Roczen aren't in the conversation.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:34 PM   #1495
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And, allowing them to bump up a class while on break to see if they are ready for the big class.
I think their lap times will tell them that.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:04 PM   #1496
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Well lap times have a lot to do with it but there is no replacing the experience of riding a 450 with the best riders in the world. NOTHING can replace actually racing with other riders in a main event. If you have ever ridden both bikes they are vastly different in the way that you ride them, the power of a 450 needs to be respected on an AX or SX track.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:23 PM   #1497
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:43 PM   #1498
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I'm making my 3rd trip to the Georgia dome to see the fastest supercross racers in the world and if Eli Tomac is in the main, then he is one of the fastest on that night and thats why I pay my money.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:36 PM   #1499
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the way the sport is set up they've inadvertantly created cherry picking in the 250 class and equipment does play a role. 250 regional SX titles are not regarded with the same prestige as 450 titles are. Barcia is a good example. He's been training for years for his pro career and he was obviously ready. But his 2 titles are now just after thoughts now that he has "moved up". It wasn't broke and they fixed it and ruined potential all time careers. Clearly superior riders like Roczen and Tomac riding the 250's the way things are now is akin to a guy with enough points in C class not moving up to B and dominating the C's for as long as he can. Or B's who should be up with the A's. It's not Tomacs fault but if Barcia and RV were still riding 250's maybe Tomac and Roczen aren't in the conversation.
250 titles aren't taken as seriously as 450 titles because they are easier to win with only half the rounds. And who do you think was going to have a potential all time career WITHOUT winning in the 450's? In the old days, guys like Hannah, Barnett and O'mara were 125 specialists who rode those bikes better than all the others but they all also won on the 250's and big bikes as well. That is why they have all time careers.

As far as C'S, B's and A's not wanting to move up, this is how it has ALWAYS BEEN. That's why organizers like the AMA force them to move up after they have earned a certain number of points or podiums or wins. Just like in the pros.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:06 PM   #1500
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Tell that to the AMA when they boot people out of the 250 class.
They should boot PC and Geico out of the 250 class.
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