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Old 02-19-2013, 08:33 AM   #31
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Word from locals is that seasonal rains have flattened out all of the washes...
But that happens every year and the washes aren't the problem, it's the cross-grain that will never go away naturally.

I will not be there but I can say... I hope you guys get to race the old school section going north from 3/5/three poles/el chinero up to the Ventana road. It's different than what is always ran southbound and is an awesome technical fun section. It's also great to hear they're doing a new part south from Saldana to Hwy3.
You guys racing should be pumped.

And yes, absolutely makes sense that they shorten the course at the end for Sportsman entries to make it safer.
Years back before Sportsman classes they had the "Safari" classes that by-passed the harder sections. They should have kept that and not added sportsman classes, but that's just imo.

There are many issues with separating the bikes from cars, and it's not just dollars. It's mostly man-power.
It's OK if you're running JCR Pits because they only pit bikes and don't have to wait for cars, but they still have to get their volunteers to take 1 added week day off work.
But think of Baja Pits or M7, they have to set up crews a day earlier and likely those crews will stay for the duration. Do this times 3 races a year and your volunteers will dry up quickly.
Also for the awards and keeping people in the towns spending money after the bike race is done, yeah right, most racers and crews will be outta there. They all had to bump up their schedules by a day and sticking around costs money so why stay?
And how many of us stay at places that are Thurs/Fri/Sat minimums, so whats gonna happen with that when (for example) the Desert Inn or Las Palmas empty out on Saturday morning. Who's taking the hit on cost? Racers? Hotel?
There's a lot to consider.
I do see one HUGE positive thing with running bikes a day earlier... Some of us will get to sit in a shorter Border line on Saturday rather than Sunday.

It was said... "Is that what the 250 normally costs for pro and sportsman bike entries? Seems a little high, sportsman is the same as the loop 1000 in 08."
And then... "If it only takes 10k to make that happen add a couple hundred dollars to each entry and your there"

I'm not picking on anyone, though it often seems as if the guys entering Sportsman are trying to race on a super tight budget and adding any amount of $ to the entry will not be happily accepted.

I do like how they now have different levels of entry fee in the cars classes. A class 11 was paying the same as a trophy truck, that didn't make sense.

I've talked to Norman, he has some wacky ideas, he thinks on a different level than most or all of us here ($$). He wants to make the racing less expensive for the bikes. If I repeated some of what he said you'd scratch your head.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:47 AM   #32
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:47 AM   #33
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I asked about the cost of entry out or curiosity. Since this years 250 has a higher entry as the 08 1000 I was wondering if the new management raised the cost. Having the same entry for a 250 mile race as a 650 mile race.

I would gladly pay more $$$$ to make a race safer and I believe most people would. The comment was made that all it takes is a title sponsor and $10k. BBM maybe you should talk to Roger Norman and tell him thats not the case because unless SB info is incorrect he thinks $10k is all thats needed.

All you "baja vets" keep saying sportsman don't belong on the course but with no requirements to enter pro removing the sportsman class will do nothing. If you run the sportsman on a different course then anyone that wants to will enter pro so that will have little effect.

I am done posting about this. I have no pull with score and arguing with people that also have no pull does nothing. And don't kid yourself if you think you do, I've heard all of you say "I've been telling score for years." Hopefully they do things to make the series safer and better but that's up to them.

In the end I think we all want the same thing, a race that is as safe as possible and a shit ton of fun.

Some on this board just have too big an ego and think that only the "pro" should race. Have fun with that philosophy as it will kill the series.

Bbm do all the racers you support enter pro? Or do you also support sportsman?
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:53 AM   #34
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I've talked to Norman, he has some wacky ideas, he thinks on a different level than most or all of us here ($$). He wants to make the racing less expensive for the bikes. If I repeated some of what he said you'd scratch your head.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:36 PM   #35
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I didn't name any names because giving an individual crap wasn't the intent or the point. It was the big picture of what I consider to be teams looking to do it as cheap as possible and raising fees would be a negative.

But then it sure sounds like I'm being called out.

I've never said there shouldn't be Sportsmen racers. I've pointed out that in 2000 Mike Childress was in that class and they didn't win. I have said there are some out there who have zero clue how dangerous it is and their actions in front of cars are beyond stupid. I have said they should do away with the class of sportsman because the word alone attracts riders who think it's a leisurely cruise thru the desert and don't understand the cars and some of those riders think the have the right of way and the cars need to do a better job avoiding them but it's the riders putting themselves in that position. Eliminating it would make some riders still enter as Pros and would scare off the guy with the 650L, construction boots, and street helmet who have no idea what they are getting into.
Hell, some of the sportsman class guys should be in the Pro classes anyway, they haul ass! Sandbaggers.

Yes we do support sportsman class racers with our rental programs.
We also encourage everyone to enter class 22 so they can have that much bigger of a gap to the 1st truck.
We also regularly sign up guys on our staff as additional riders and they ride more often than not (regardless if it's a pro or sprtsmn entry). Sometimes my guys ride because the clients are whipped or at times it's a safety thing - I'd way rather put myself or one of my guys on the bike so a client isn't putting himself in harms way. And I've flat out told riders they aren't riding certain sections or in front of cars.
We also support bad-ass teams as was witnessed at this past B1k.

And you're right, these threads always end up with the same bullshit. I don't know why I wasted my time adding anything at all.
I've been happy riding in Baja 16 out of the last 26 days and will be happy when I'm down there riding 46 of the next 70 days. Much healthier than forums.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:42 PM   #36
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Hell, some of the sportsman class guys should be in the Pro classes anyway, they haul ass! Sandbaggers.


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Old 02-19-2013, 05:40 PM   #37
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Hell, some of the sportsman class guys should be in the Pro classes anyway, they haul ass! Sandbaggers.


Amen!
THAT IS MY POINT!!!!
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:18 PM   #38
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bucket Lister Dust to Glorites in the Pro Class, Experts & Sandbaggers in the Sportsman class, what's a mother to do??????

Is there no end to this madness?????????

Maybe they should get Gotta Peso to run the whole schmeal:

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Old 02-19-2013, 07:31 PM   #39
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I didn't name any names because giving an individual crap wasn't the intent or the point. It was the big picture of what I consider to be teams looking to do it as cheap as possible and raising fees would be a negative.

But then it sure sounds like I'm being called out.

I've never said there shouldn't be Sportsmen racers. I've pointed out that in 2000 Mike Childress was in that class and they didn't win. I have said there are some out there who have zero clue how dangerous it is and their actions in front of cars are beyond stupid. I have said they should do away with the class of sportsman because the word alone attracts riders who think it's a leisurely cruise thru the desert and don't understand the cars and some of those riders think the have the right of way and the cars need to do a better job avoiding them but it's the riders putting themselves in that position. Eliminating it would make some riders still enter as Pros and would scare off the guy with the 650L, construction boots, and street helmet who have no idea what they are getting into.
Hell, some of the sportsman class guys should be in the Pro classes anyway, they haul ass! Sandbaggers.

Yes we do support sportsman class racers with our rental programs.
We also encourage everyone to enter class 22 so they can have that much bigger of a gap to the 1st truck.
We also regularly sign up guys on our staff as additional riders and they ride more often than not (regardless if it's a pro or sprtsmn entry). Sometimes my guys ride because the clients are whipped or at times it's a safety thing - I'd way rather put myself or one of my guys on the bike so a client isn't putting himself in harms way. And I've flat out told riders they aren't riding certain sections or in front of cars.
We also support bad-ass teams as was witnessed at this past B1k.

And you're right, these threads always end up with the same bullshit. I don't know why I wasted my time adding anything at all.
I've been happy riding in Baja 16 out of the last 26 days and will be happy when I'm down there riding 46 of the next 70 days. Much healthier than forums.
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If you feel my post was calling you out I apologize. There were two parts that were directed to you. The comments about the $10k. It sounds like Norman has no clue about what it would actually cost and someone needs to try and explain it.

And I should have worded the last part differently or pm'd you. With the context of the rest of the post I can see how it sounds like I was calling you out.

I should have broken up my post to make it read correctly, lesson learned no more posting from the droid piece by piece.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:34 AM   #40
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GPS files for course are out on SCORE's new F'd up web site. Looks like Sportsman Bike is a little over 40 miles shorter than the "Pros".
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GPS files for course are out on SCORE's new F'd up web site. Looks like Sportsman Bike is a little over 40 miles shorter than the "Pros".

Is there new course or is it the same old stuff?
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Is there new course or is it the same old stuff?
Looks like some OLD stuff !!! but New to the SF 250 and a little new to me
should be fun!!
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:44 AM   #43
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Old stuff, but not the same as what SCORE had been stuck on using over and over for the 250 in a while. SCORE hasn't gone north of HWY 3 for the 250 in some time, but those parts have been used in the 500 & 1000 before making them "old stuff" I guess. There isn't much on Northern Baja that can be raced on that hasn't been used before.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:48 PM   #44
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The plot thickens!!!!!! I told you guys the Roger Norman buy out might not be a good thing:


As part of the agreement made between SCORE, HDRA and Amber Racing Services, which includes the $25,000 provided by ARS toward the total bonus-point prize purse for the inaugural World Championship of Desert Racing, all fuel purchases to race in SCORE and HDRA races must be made exclusively through the ARS company. Sunoco or any other fuels not purchased from ARS through the SCORE website will not be allowed in vehicles competing in the MasterCraft Safety Tecate SCORE San Felipe 250 race


Wow! If you don't buy your fuel from SCORE's sponsor / vender you can't race!!!! WHAT THE FUCK???????

You can't even race with PEMEX!!!!
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:05 PM   #45
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Talk about poor timing!

See here for more discussion on the topic: http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/sho...E-Fuel-Mandate

And by the way, the sky is not falling, yet
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