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Old 02-23-2013, 07:50 AM   #33331
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did you go ahead and fill it with grease?
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:28 AM   #33332
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well everyone has defferent riding styles and needs so same set up will not work for everybody
My problem is I need it set up for ALL styles :)
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:46 AM   #33333
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Does anyone know why Yamaha filled the needle bearings in the rear suspension linkage "rocker" with plastic material rather than grease? It's the first time I've seen it done that way.

The only thing I can think of.... is that there isn't very much travel in those bearings? It doesn't make sense to me, because there isn't any room for lubricant, and if water makes it's way in I would think they would be prone to rust more quickly?
It's a porous plastic that holds and releases the lubricant as needed. Best if you leave it there, but not the end of the world if you dug it out and replaced with a good grease.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:52 AM   #33334
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Does anyone know why Yamaha filled the needle bearings in the rear suspension linkage "rocker" with plastic material rather than grease? It's the first time I've seen it done that way.

The only thing I can think of.... is that there isn't very much travel in those bearings? It doesn't make sense to me, because there isn't any room for lubricant, and if water makes it's way in I would think they would be prone to rust more quickly?
This type of needle bearing is used on a lot of later-model Yamaha motorcycles at the rear suspension.

Probably because the bearing functions just fine with that number of rollers spaced apart via the needle cage.
Less rollers spaced with a cage are lighter and have less friction.
The plastic-like material is lighter than a steel cage.

You can't pack it with a large amount of grease, but it'll hold grease that will keep the bearing alive just fine as long as you do what needs to be done periodically no matter what bearing is used:
Take it apart for a cleaning and greasing, inspecting the bearing, collars, and seals.
Also important to clean and grease the bolt that goes through the whole works.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:54 AM   #33335
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It's a porous plastic that holds and releases the lubricant as needed. Best if you leave it there, but not the end of the world if you dug it out and replaced with a good grease.
I've read about guys digging at it thinking it was "hardened grease".
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #33336
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I've read about guys digging at it thinking it was "hardened grease".
Me too. It's in this thread waaaay back. That's why I pointed out that it isn't the end of the world if it's done. Grease works fine too.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:28 AM   #33337
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So that means there's still a race holding the needles even if the plastic is removed?
Never removed mine.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:30 AM   #33338
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So that means there's still a race holding the needles even if the plastic is removed?
Never removed mine.
No, the plastic/silicon holds the needle bearings....do not remove it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:44 AM   #33339
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All of that plastic stuff in the linkage bearings came out on day 1. I just assumed it was a showroom/assembly product only, as I could see no way to either fully clean the bearings or fully pack them with out those little sticks coming out.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:50 AM   #33340
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did you go ahead and fill it with grease?
I thought about it for a while............ and since I'm sure I know more than the engineers of some of the most reliable equipment on the planet......... I dug the stuff out! I offer the 2008 rubber damped chain skipping rear sprocket as proof that no one is perfect!
I can tell you this, the "filler" doesn't hold the needles apart at all. When I greased the race, and stacked the needles back in, it was completely full. The needles were tight together, as I would have expected.
Now the bearings that were in the "Link" didn't have the stuff in them. They came apart and went back together as usual. Swing arm bearings were in a cage.
Everything was really in pretty good shape, and could have probably gone another season, but since it was apart, and the snow's a foot deep I did them all. I don't do a whole bunch of deep water crossings, and the only thing that showed any problem was the bolt through the bearing in the middle of the swing arm. It had rusted a little, and had to be tapped out with a punch and hammer. Just light tapping was all.
It's all back together now, so I just stopped for a cup of coffee, and printed torque spec page from the manual. Back to work.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:59 AM   #33341
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Bearings

Is this maybe a good time to ask who sells a good set of bearings for the rear linkage, shock bearing and swingarm bearings that may be better than Yam. OEM? I've heard some bad things about ALL BALLS/MOOSE RACING/MSR/Chinese garbage bearings over in thumper talk, any other Brands? I have a need to redo all of them before my trip this summer.

ps. What's recommended to clean the old bearings prior to regreasing if they are not replaced?
I later found this link that explains quit a bit about that "plastic stuff" http://www.thumperfaq.com/swingarm.htm
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:04 AM   #33342
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well i have more bad news for you kansasbob we are suposed to get another 8 inches of snow tomorow but i got my klr650 back with the new progressive shock the bike does so much better now so im playing in the snow alittle bit with the klr but i think its going to be a few days befor i get my wr250r back out :(
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:25 AM   #33343
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...who sells a good set of bearings for the rear linkage, shock bearing and swingarm bearings that may be better than Yam. OEM?
The simplest way to get the best quality bearings is to order Yamaha OEM stuff. It is possible to find a good bearing house that can help you figure out equivalents--takes a lot of time though can save you $, but going 3rd party packaged route is gonna get you generally chinese stuff of unknown quality.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:18 PM   #33344
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All of that plastic stuff in the linkage bearings came out on day 1. I just assumed it was a showroom/assembly product only, as I could see no way to either fully clean the bearings or fully pack them with out those little sticks coming out.
You're likely right about the Assembly part, and they are much harder to clean without damaging the stuff.

All you have to do is look at your steering stem bearings to know that everyone at Yamaha must be deathly allergic to grease.
Using the plastic stuff(there's a name for it but I can't remember what it is) likely saves many lives at Yamaha.

It also takes a step and possible failure mode out of the manufacturing process which saves then some money. Not that they care about that.

Good news is, They will never forget to grease those bearings, and everything I've read about the stuff is that it works really well.

FWIW, I left the stuff in and still crammed as much grease as possible in there.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:10 PM   #33345
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All of that plastic stuff in the linkage bearings came out on day 1. I just assumed it was a showroom/assembly product only, as I could see no way to either fully clean the bearings or fully pack them with out those little sticks coming out.
+1 except I waited until the first swingarm service

One of the things the link above states that this is for reduced maintenance. I believe that this was a measure of insurance against the owners that will never do swingarm maintenance on the bike. I could not see a way to get any measurable amount of grease in there with the removal of the plastic stuff. I picked that stuff out with the bearings and cleaned everything up. Next I put a big glob of grease in the race and pushed the needles into it until they were all in place like you would a normal bearing. This should be much easier to clean out later.

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