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Old 02-23-2013, 07:51 PM   #526
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And to keep this on a Honda vibe, I read a couple of years ago that they were making a clear distinction between utility transport and 'fun' bikes.

Fun bikes, like the Fireblade, or the CBR1000R, or the VFR1200F.

At the time, I was a bit annoyed, like Honda didn't think I could ride. Or, like BMW, they wanted the 'premium' customer.

But fook me, they've kept their word. The bigger Honda bikes, here, require a hefty deposit. The smaller ones, you can practically walk away with by sharing a cigar with the dealership.

Meanwhile, BMW, or MV, or Ducati, or Triumph (much as I love all of them) seem to ask premium customer money with only the slightest hint of premium service. BMW, in particular, have taken advantage of goodwill imho.

Generally it seems like two choices have been made; attract new riders with low deposit/APR, or hook riders who eye 'cost to change' with deals on extras or those deals where they guarantee trade-in value (as long as you don't ride much, and have the bike serviced at the dealership).

I have no value judgement on this, really, I just like bikes..
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:19 PM   #527
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That's gonna get ya in the Basement ya know .
I hope not. I love this place. tp
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:29 PM   #528
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I hope not. I love this place. tp
Worry not. It's darker, but one can climb back.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:46 PM   #529
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Worry not. It's darker, but one can climb back.
Bless you, and I agree with you on the comments about the BMW Premium service/price situation.
While my R1200RT is great, the maintenance costs and failure rates for this model alone is rather high and poor, both. A water cooled CX1200 V twin with full plastics would be a great sub for the RT, A Moto Guzzi without its quirks and Honda fit, finish, and reliability would tickle me a bunch...
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:56 PM   #530
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I didn't mean to be political with that post.

Over here insurance is up 40% in 4 years, similar for gas/electricity in homes.

We're told this will only get worse.

Wages are flat or worse, since 2008.

For many years I defined myself by motorcycle ownership; because I love riding them so much, because I didn't want to become Homer Simpson.

Well, y'know, doh
I was in Hunts (Honda) today checking on the status of my new toy and John (the owner) was telling me he's ordered 22 (the maximum allocation) of the new 500's as he expecting them to be a massive hit. He also said he's selling 5 NC700's a week! The middleweight bikes are definitely making a comeback...
Big scooters are also doing well, he's got deposits on most of the Honda Forza scooters (I think he said 10) that he's getting in early May.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:11 PM   #531
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I was in Hunts (Honda) today checking on the status of my new toy and John (the owner) was telling me he's ordered 22 (the maximum allocation) of the new 500's as he expecting them to be a massive hit. He also said he's selling 5 NC700's a week! The middleweight bikes are definitely making a comeback...
Big scooters are also doing well, he's got deposits on most of the Honda Forza scooters (I think he said 10) that he's getting in early May.
Interesting. Did he say if he expected them to go to A2 new licence holders, or existing riders?
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:56 AM   #532
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He didn't say and I didn't think to ask. I didn't know there was a new system again until you mentioned it. :-)
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:30 AM   #533
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I was in Hunts (Honda) today checking on the status of my new toy and John (the owner) was telling me he's ordered 22 (the maximum allocation) of the new 500's as he expecting them to be a massive hit. He also said he's selling 5 NC700's a week! The middleweight bikes are definitely making a comeback...
Big scooters are also doing well, he's got deposits on most of the Honda Forza scooters (I think he said 10) that he's getting in early May.
When I read this, I had to check your location. That's impressive. I had to look up the Forza too. Our Honda scooter offerings Jump from the PCX 150 up to the Silverwing.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:45 AM   #534
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That's gonna get ya in the Basement ya know .

It's all conjecture.

But if you folks get fuel rises like we have, those 20mpg cars and 30mpg bikes will get old very very fast.

Even bikes made 10 years ago are predicated on a different era.
Fuel price differences between the US and the UK are almost completely due to fuel tax differences. Crude oil and refined petroleum products are global markets for fungible commodities.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:54 AM   #535
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I cannot comment on BMW, but speaking of service and etc. costs here, in Belgium - I had Hondas, Suzuki, worked for friends on Yamahas and Kwaks and there is absolutely zero service price difference between Triumph I have now and good deal I had on Honda. I really do not know where this opinion comes from, perhaps from way local business takes advantage of "cool" factor behind European makes.
More to it. KTM - not any more expensive to service etc.
Yamaha probably is the most expensive and Kwak is worst on parts supply.
Honda are expensive to service unless you have really good dealer.
Parts not cheap either.
So, I think that making assumptions based on each personal experience into common rule won't work here.

Example? Easy. 130 Euro asked for carbs sync on Honda from my friend and 50 Euros asked from me (because I know exactly what and how they will do it and know dealer guys well) for exactly same job on exactly same bike of exactly same year. This is reality. But in my place.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:57 AM   #536
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I cannot comment on BMW, but speaking of service and etc. costs here, in Belgium - I had Hondas, Suzuki, worked for friends on Yamahas and Kwaks and there is absolutely zero service price difference between Triumph I have now and good deal I had on Honda. I really do not know where this opinion comes from, perhaps from way local business takes advantage of "cool" factor behind European makes.
More to it. KTM - not any more expensive to service etc.
Yamaha probably is the most expensive and Kwak is worst on parts supply.
Honda are expensive to service unless you have really good dealer.
Parts not cheap either.
So, I think that making assumptions based on each personal experience into common rule won't work here.

Example? Easy. 130 Euro asked for carbs sync on Honda from my friend and 50 Euros asked from me (because I know exactly what and how they will do it and know dealer guys well) for exactly same job on exactly same bike of exactly same year. This is reality. But in my place.
I think Honda, with these CTX and new CBs, are promising low-cost servicing and long intervals (8000-miles?). Of course we'll see how that translates in the real world in a year or two.

Some folks here (UK) will make a buying decision on the bike vs car, or bike vs train, as a ride-to-work option. And that means calculations over an extended period.

BMW, to be fair, have a low priced schedule and good mpg from the f800 series.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:31 AM   #537
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On other side low revving motor helps to save oil. Possible.could be. My tiger 800 have 10 000 km oil change intervals and 20 000 km valve adjustment. So, if Honda runs hydraulic lifters and shaft drive it obviously have advantage on chain driven shim over bucket bikes
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:37 AM   #538
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Nobody makes decent dirt bikes now, having switched from 2 stroke to 4 stroke, but you can blame the EPA for that.

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Old 02-28-2013, 12:13 AM   #539
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Nice. I wonder how they got that passed the epa's sniffers? And if KTM can do it, why can't the Japanese?
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Nice. I wonder how they got that passed the epa's sniffers? And if KTM can do it, why can't the Japanese?
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