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Old 03-04-2013, 01:00 PM   #1
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Shifting Gears

Ok let me first just apologize for not being able to find the answer to my question, I am sure it must have been mentioned somewhere in the OC but I just canít find it.

I just got a 990 í09 with 27000 klm on it and had some strange gear shifting behavior so I figured I would do an oil and filter change just to have ease of mind. Thing is that I still get the strange performance and I am totally clueless on what to check or even if I should be worried.

I let the bike run till 4 bars show up and start riding. At first the gears shift perfectly. As I start shifting gears up in higher revs my second and third gear feel (and I really mean FEEL) like they engage two times. If I donít do a full motion at my foot changing up the gears and donít feel the second clik i risk loosing the gear change (happened two times so I really pay attention now). Also after this starts happening it doesnít matter if I shift in low or high revs it stays permanent until I shut the bike off and let it cool down.

Not really sure if I describe it successfully but I I am getting really anxious about this Ö please somebody tell me if I need to look at something or this is just how it works .

Thanks in advance guys
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:20 PM   #2
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Ok let me first just apologize for not being able to find the answer to my question, I am sure it must have been mentioned somewhere in the OC but I just canít find it.

I just got a 990 í09 with 27000 klm on it and had some strange gear shifting behavior so I figured I would do an oil and filter change just to have ease of mind. Thing is that I still get the strange performance and I am totally clueless on what to check or even if I should be worried.

I let the bike run till 4 bars show up and start riding. At first the gears shift perfectly. As I start shifting gears up in higher revs my second and third gear feel (and I really mean FEEL) like they engage two times. If I donít do a full motion at my foot changing up the gears and donít feel the second clik i risk loosing the gear change (happened two times so I really pay attention now). Also after this starts happening it doesnít matter if I shift in low or high revs it stays permanent until I shut the bike off and let it cool down.

Not really sure if I describe it successfully but I I am getting really anxious about this Ö please somebody tell me if I need to look at something or this is just how it works .

Thanks in advance guys
I have a 950 built in June 2004. It shifts very similar to yours. I always thought something was wrong with it. I bought the bike with 24,000 miles on it, and I've since put 11,000 more miles on it. I do miss shifts every now and again if I shift softly, but you get accustomed to how the bike shifts after a few thousand miles. Just ride it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:36 AM   #3
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I have a 950 built in June 2004. It shifts very similar to yours. I always thought something was wrong with it. I bought the bike with 24,000 miles on it, and I've since put 11,000 more miles on it. I do miss shifts every now and again if I shift softly, but you get accustomed to how the bike shifts after a few thousand miles. Just ride it.
Thanks a lot for that... Guess I will take your advice and just ride the thing :sly:

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Old 03-05-2013, 05:30 AM   #4
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There have been some similar cases due to a loose shift lever moving around on the shift shaft leading to such behaviour. Worth checking and remember to use loctite on the shift lever bolt during re-installation.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:20 AM   #5
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I have a 2011 990 that shifts similarly. If I don't give the shifter a good pull, sometimes it doesn't go into gear and I over-rev the bike. I always thought I was just being a shifting pansy and it didn't have anything to do with the bike; this happens more when I am shifting clutchless. I haven't had any troubles so far with +/- 14,000 miles.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:56 AM   #6
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Why do people shift without the clutch? You're not racing and it takes a split second to use... I have never understood why people do that? Even when I'm on the track I use my clutch and in the dirt I'm all over my clutch, ecpecially on the 990. Sorry for ranting, I had a BMW that false neutraled all the time, it happened because I didn't shift har enough. It always pissed me off because I would peg the limiter every time.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:00 AM   #7
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There have been some similar cases due to a loose shift lever moving around on the shift shaft leading to such behaviour. Worth checking and remember to use loctite on the shift lever bolt during re-installation.
Worth the try since it really spoils my riding having to constantly remember to to the full motion on the shifter. Thanks for the tip, will definitely check it out.

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I have a 2011 990 that shifts similarly. If I don't give the shifter a good pull, sometimes it doesn't go into gear and I over-rev the bike. I always thought I was just being a shifting pansy and it didn't have anything to do with the bike; this happens more when I am shifting clutchless. I haven't had any troubles so far with +/- 14,000 miles.
Good to know its nothing really pressing....But on the other hand it might drive me crazy, coming from a gsxr where i would just gently pull the shifter and the thing never missed a gear.

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Why do people shift without the clutch? You're not racing and it takes a split second to use... I have never understood why people do that? Even when I'm on the track I use my clutch and in the dirt I'm all over my clutch, ecpecially on the 990. Sorry for ranting, I had a BMW that false neutraled all the time, it happened because I didn't shift har enough. It always pissed me off because I would peg the limiter every time.
Well, if done right (slightly letting of the throttle for a split second, thus doing the shift when there is no tension on the gear box) it is as good as using the clutch and it is actually faster on pavement and track, don't know about dirt haven't done it yet.
If it happened on 1-2 gear change i whould not be making a big deal about it but i missed 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th shifts and i was seriously unhappy.

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Old 03-05-2013, 08:11 AM   #8
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Why do people shift without the clutch? You're not racing and it takes a split second to use... I have never understood why people do that? Even when I'm on the track I use my clutch and in the dirt I'm all over my clutch, ecpecially on the 990. Sorry for ranting, I had a BMW that false neutraled all the time, it happened because I didn't shift har enough. It always pissed me off because I would peg the limiter every time.
Because you can and less wear on the clutch.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:36 AM   #9
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You're not racing
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:23 AM   #10
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Missing gears

I recognize your problem which in my case was an annoying neutral between 5th and 6th on my 2006 SE from almost new. I never fixed it but things got worse over the years. I put a new 990 motor in my beloved SE in 2010 (other reasons) and after just a couple of months my new motor also had an annoying neutral, but this time between 2nd and 3rd gear.

I took the shift mechanism apart and replaced "Part #16, 60034015044 SHIFT ARRESTING CPL. 03" (quite easy job but you need to remove the clutch basket) and the gear shifting got excellent !!!

My eyes were not able to see anything bad with the old shift arrester but the change obviously worked out fantastic.
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