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Old 02-27-2013, 11:14 AM   #151
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I think you got something there! That could be a marketing point for Honda. Maytag repair man sitting in his chair bored out of his mind.
Wishing he was trained to work on more passionate bike.
So far the NCX is my favorite bike that I have owned. Different strokes I guess.
Great idea and then.............a Norge (bike not refrigerator) will roll in and the Maytag man will smile and get to work...........only to find he is not trained to work on the type of appliance.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:29 PM   #152
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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but to humor you, I own a Guzzi and a KTM. Does their racing heritage meet your standards?

Last couple of years my parents have been unwell so my vacation time has been spent back in the UK. Prior to that I banged out an 8000 mile trip through 38 states in the space of a month. Is that acceptable?
MY meaning was that without Honda's passion for motorcycles they would not continue to win at the highest level of competition in many types of racing. Yes, Guzzi has a racing heritage but the last time on the podium was 60 years ago. Since then they have relied heavily on soul to sell functional antiques.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:39 PM   #153
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I think the firing order for most twins is the same. Pretty much 1 then 2 :-)

I get your point, but why mimic when you can have the real thing? As for high revs, my Guzzi really isn't about top end. Low revs, low power, but damn has it got soul. Almost as good as my old Buell.
What your Guzzi has that Hondas never have is exclusivity and rarity ,,no way are they better bikes..I would be interested to read a unbiased roadtest review between the NC700X and the small Guzzi,,,is it called V70?,,,
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:09 PM   #154
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no way are they better bikes..I would be interested to read a unbiased roadtest review between the NC700X and the small Guzzi,,,is it called V70?,,,
How do you define "better"?

Maybe for me "better" means Shaft Drive, maybe ground hugging weight? maybe a 6 gallon tank? Somebody else may want light weight, nimble and chain drive. There isn't just one "better" bike, If there was, then by extension there would be one single bike that was "best" and we'd all buy that one. That would make for a pretty dull world. All bikes are a compromise, it's just a question of finding the best fit for you.

As for an unbiased review, I don't think such a thing exists. We all have our biases. An unbiased review would just be a bunch of objective statistics, any commentary is subjective and biased.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:15 PM   #155
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What your Guzzi has that Hondas never have is exclusivity and rarity ,,no way are they better bikes..I would be interested to read a unbiased roadtest review between the NC700X and the small Guzzi,,,is it called V70?,,,
VFR1200 are exclusive and rare in the states.
NR750's are pretty hard to come by.

Maybe you are confusing a huge range of models that usually sell well but where some are rare and exotic with a company that sells very little in either volume or models.

Honda is not NC700. That is one of the their models.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:21 PM   #156
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VFR1200 are exclusive and rare in the states.
That may be true, but I'm not sure it was Honda's intent

Check Cycle Trader, there are a bunch of dealers with new 2010's still available. Of course, most of the unloved Honda's go on to become cult classics (Transalp, Pacific Coast, Rune etc) so who knows.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:22 PM   #157
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That may be true, but I'm not sure it was Honda's intent
I don't think it was Guzzi's intent to be so exclusive either.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:27 PM   #158
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I bet if you asked Guzzi if they would rather be exclusive or sell 100,000 bikes the answer would be simple.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:01 AM   #159
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Piaggio's plan to rescue Guzzi is rebadge an Aprilia scooter to give dealers an entry level Guzzi Galetto to sell.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:53 PM   #160
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Just scored a service manual from a guy on sell.com for 30 bucks. Good quality manual, good service and speedy delivery. Came from New York I believe. The guy has copies of many, many manuals.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:02 AM   #161
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I have ridden the Honda 700. It was an engine with no top end at all. I bet Honda changes that rev limiter and MAP a little in the next version. It feels like it has a scooter engine. My WeeStrom is smaller and has as much torque, a lot more HP and gets nearly the same mileage with a 16T cs sprocket on it. A heck of a lot faster for sure.The Honda engine felt like it had a lot more potential held back on purpose by the factory.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:58 AM   #162
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I have ridden the Honda 700. It was an engine with no top end at all. I bet Honda changes that rev limiter and MAP a little in the next version. It feels like it has a scooter engine. My WeeStrom is smaller and has as much torque, a lot more HP and gets nearly the same mileage with a 16T cs sprocket on it. A heck of a lot faster for sure.The Honda engine felt like it had a lot more potential held back on purpose by the factory.
No changes likely.........long stroke engine low revs, flat torque from 2000-5000. Completely different engine design not meant to rev to 10,000. This has been hashed and rehashed. There is no factory hold back.....a few have tried and dyno tests prove there original design is sound for the purpose intended. Not intended to enter the HP war.

MCN published JAN 2013

WE 42.2 lb-ft
NC 42.57 lb-ft

Strom is quicker in the 1/4 mile by 1.6 sec, more HP wins

NC 13 more MPG
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