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Old 03-07-2013, 08:05 AM   #16
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At the end of the day all bikes break and I will eventually have to wait on parts.. so why not have a bike I love....
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:31 AM   #17
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I've owned a 640 Adventure. I now own a 690 Enduro
which has over $4000 worth of mods installed on it; those
mods give the 690 capabilities similar to the 640 Adventure
( increased fuel range, fairing, etc. ). I didn't sell the 640
because there was anything wrong with it; I suppose I
sold it because I gave in to the urge to buy something new
and the 690 was the new bike. But "new" is not always better.


For the riding you are talking about doing, a 640 is a better
choice. It is likely to be more reliable than the 690, based on
my experience. I think the 640 was a better built bike than the
690 is, with respect to stuff like wiring harnesses. The fuel injection
on the 690 is a much more complex fuel system than the fuel system
on a 640. There are more parts which can fail, and the bike
is more sensitive to things like charging voltage fluctuations because it
is dependent on electronics in order to run well, more so than the 640 is.
I am an expert mechanic and am quite familiar with fuel injection systems
and I understand how to repair and maintain them, and nothing about fuel
injection is a mystery to me. The reality is that fuel injection can have
more problems than a carburetor because there are more parts which can fail.
If a part is not there it cannot fail. KTM still uses carbs on the factory rally bikes
which win the Dakar. They could use fuel injection but they
choose not to; that should tell you something.


The stock headlights on a 640 are MUCH better than the stock
headlight on a 690. The 640 has a kickstarter whereas the 690
does not.


The 2008 690 is the first model year sold in the US, and those
early bikes had a few "issues" which were corrected later on. The 2006
640 is a refined bike which was made close to the end of the production
run for the 640 and those late 640s had pretty much all the early "bugs"
worked out.


The 690 is more fun to ride than a 640 because it has a bit more power
and the weight is distributed better, but it's basically a converted
street bike ( supermoto ) whereas a 640 is more or less a "domesticated"
rally bike.


A 640 comes stock in a form which is much closer to what you
want in a travel bike. It has the fuel capacity you need but to
add that fuel capacity to a 690 is expensive.


A 640 vibrates more but people who complain about that
are a bunch of whiners. It's a single cylinder motorcycle,
and vibration is part of the game.


I miss my 640 and I am considering buying another one
while there are still decent examples available.


You can always buy a 690 later on. Unless you are shorter than 5' 10"
( so you need a lower saddle height ) the R model sold in 2011 is probably
the best one yet made. It has a tighter turning circle than the earlier 690s and it still has
the long-travel suspension, unlike the earlier E models or the 2012 / 2013
models sold in the US.


The 2006 640 is pretty much the best version of the 640, whereas the
2008 690 is the first example and the 690 was significantly improved
later in the production run, so I wouldn't be in a rush to buy a 2008
690 because they are the least desirable of all 690 Enduros.


.

Nailed it.


I'd do 640 ADV over the 690 as well. Springs, racks for your bags, maybe a power outlet for accessories, maybe a wider seat and you are rockin. (ok, maybe a few more accessories like skid plate, bark busters, rad guards, etc,etc.)

The HUGE benefits here are the suspension is decent, the windscreen works, the headlights are fine the way they are, and it's a reliable, simple engine WITH e-start AND kickstart. That's a massive bonus. It takes reliance on the battery out of the question. Big tank to keep you going without worrying about fuel.

I'd say the choice is more 640ADV and DR650. My buddy swears his 640 is great and has 50,000KM on it and no issues. All he's done was revalve and respring the suspension.


Let me know when you are coming through my neck of the woods Fletch.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:15 AM   #18
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:27 AM   #19
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Your reasoning on the whole less likely to have problems.. well that is what I thought about the KLR and the whole "Parts can be found everywhere in the world" Well after sitting in Bolivia for 1.5 months waiting on a new piston.. hahaha (now if you have not read my RR don't get me wrong so stoked it broke down in Sucre where I was taken in by a family and got the chance to ride '10 crf 450's every weekendat the MX track) In Bolivia all of the cops ride '09 KLR's just like mine.. but yet no parts in the country I realized something... At the end of the day all bikes break and I will eventually have to wait on parts.. so why not have a bike I love....

And who knows with my luck maybe I will try out the DR650 for my third bike on this trip in a few years.... hahahaha

But back to my KTM question thank you every one taking time to answer my question.. Helps out alot..
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I would also recommend the DR650 for RTW. Simple becasue it does so many things right and they do not break. I would not however say I was worried about the KTM breaking after a successful test trip. My DR has been flawless and it now handles better than my 2002 KTM 640 dualsport. The KTM had more power but the DR now has pretty close to the same power as the stock KTM. I would not do a power upgrade on the DR for RTW, but suspension can be improved drastically:

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Old 03-07-2013, 12:58 PM   #20
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I own a 690 and it has been the most fun on a bike I have ever been on...

RTW, not in a million years would I set out on that to expect to complete a RTW trip.... Fancy oil, special gas, huge amount of bling required, no frame to carry your gear.... but man o man is it fun...

KLR is reliable and been there and done that as well.... buy parts anywhere...
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:44 PM   #21
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What they said.

Having had a 640 for ages & having done a few thousand miles on a 690 also I'd go for the 640 for your job. There's a lot that's really cool about the 690 but as an out of the box travel machine the 640 wins for the many reasons outlined above.

Check into the common issues, Reinforce the subframe, plan to rebuild the waterpump & cam rollers at 25K miles & have fun.

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Old 03-07-2013, 01:50 PM   #22
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Understandable..but.. there are ones pulling RTW's off...

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I own a 690 and it has been the most fun on a bike I have ever been on...

RTW, not in a million years would I set out on that to expect to complete a RTW trip.... Fancy oil, special gas, huge amount of bling required, no frame to carry your gear.... but man o man is it fun...

KLR is reliable and been there and done that as well.... buy parts anywhere...
Well you do have Noah doing a RTW on a 690.. and I met Sherry Jo down here she is doing a RTW on her 690.. which has over 50,000km's on it and still raging.. so it is possible.....

But thank you very much for your input and time...

Thanks everyone for your very helpful input and your time... Means alot.. Making my original decision look like it will be the right one.. with the 640...

Still open to hear other opinions.. thanks again Fletch
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:56 PM   #23
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What they said.

Having had a 640 for ages & having done a few thousand miles on a 690 also I'd go for the 640 for your job. There's a lot that's really cool about the 690 but as an out of the box travel machine the 640 wins for the many reasons outlined above.

Check into the common issues, Reinforce the subframe, plan to rebuild the waterpump & cam rollers at 25K miles & have fun.

Cheers
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Thanks for the tips.. had been warned about the water pump and the cam Rollers.. Good to know about the subframe as well..

Can't wait to make it to NZ to shred in the Next year or so.. My good friend and riding buddy who I met in Panama and then again in Colombia and Chile, but spent three weeks shredding hard with him in Bolivia.. Just shipped over to NZ about 3 weeks ago.. and is now working in Auckland before he keeps moving on with his RTW.. but keeps saying the riding is f-ing awesome and he has only been riding near Auckland.. so cannot wait for that for sure..
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:48 PM   #24
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Well you do have Noah doing a RTW on a 690.. and I met Sherry Jo down here she is doing a RTW on her 690.. which has over 50,000km's on it and still raging.. so it is possible.....


Still open to hear other opinions.. thanks again Fletch

I never said it couldn't be done on the 690...

My concern is the lack of special oil and gas on the trip, fancy internal clutch system the lack of support you will have in the 3rd world. I have 30,000k on mine and still pulls hard.

something to be said for gravity fed fuel and carburetors,

I wish you all the luck on what ever choice you decide... no matter what,,, it will be the trip a very few will ever do....
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I never said it couldn't be done on the 690...

My concern is the lack of special oil and gas on the trip, fancy internal clutch system the lack of support you will have in the 3rd world. I have 30,000k on mine and still pulls hard.

something to be said for gravity fed fuel and carburetors,

I wish you all the luck on what ever choice you decide... no matter what,,, it will be the trip a very few will ever do....
Thank you...
Was not trying to come off as a ass...If I did sorry brother...Was not my intention, was just naming the people I know along my travels, on that bike.. and was jealous of there bikes.. hahaha... Really thank you for your advice.. Specially coming from a owner of a 690... telling me his thoughts.. But I do agree with you, that is one of the reasons I have leaned toward.. the 640... Thank you very much for your time... Fletch
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:41 PM   #26
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The 690 wasn't really what 640 riders were after when they wanted an updated platform. haha. Or so I think. Really wish somebody would make that perfect bike but the Japanese don't want to invest, KTM goes overboard with finiky designs, and the others miss the mark. Husky 610 is decent / good.

There's a 640ADV 3 hrs from me with 15000km's for 5grand CDN. Says all it needs is a chain but the tires and chain in the picture make me wonder if maintenance was an issue. Chain is rusted and tires are about what you'd expect from a traveler riding the world. Worn down to numbs of uneven size (like mine were)

Not sure what they sell for in Americana. Usually our bike prices are 1-3 grand more.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:55 PM   #27
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Not sure what they sell for in Americana. Usually our bike prices are 1-3 grand more.

That's bullshit since your riding season (does not include ice-capades) is usually 1-3 months shorter as well.

Go figure, eh?
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:41 PM   #28
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The 690 wasn't really what 640 riders were after when they wanted an updated platform. haha. Or so I think..
The only thing they really got a little wrong with the 690 was the gearing spread IMHO. Everything else can be sorted by the aftermarket. If I had surplus cash I'd happily upgrade & mod & farkle to my requirements, but with the more sorted & reliable 2012+ 690 rather than the first of the line.

If the OP had cash to burn & was trying to decide between farkling up a brand new 690 or getting a cherry low miles 640 Adv for RTW the choice would be a lot harder but with an 08 690 & value for $ in the equation the 640 is a no brainer.

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