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Old 03-11-2013, 03:57 PM   #1831
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I'm curious as to why KTM, with Despres as a 5 time winner, is so anxious to cut him loose? Is it coming down to Despres asking for too much money? With Despres winning the last two, why wouldn't they want to keep him around and cut Coma loose? Or is Coma contracted for a while longer while Despres' is up? It is certainly interesting with Faria, Chaleco and Caselli in the background... Talk about politics!! Unless KTM is planning a three way assault a la VW...
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:24 PM   #1832
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Thanks for the update. I've been rattling the cage of the one contact I had at Husq to no avail.


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So a little digging leads me to clarify some things. First of all, both Paulo Goncalves and Joan Barreda are contracted to Speedbrain and not BMW Motorrad as I originally stated. I was wrong there. So all that means is that for the most part, the riders break camp with Speedbrain instead of remaining tied to BMW. I have verified with Quinn Cody that his contract runs through 2014, but I have not heard from him whether his contract is with BMW or Speedbrain, but I guess I suspect now it is with Speedbrain a la Goncalves and Barreda.

It looks like Speedbrain will go it alone for a while, breaking free from both BMW and Husqvarna. Most of the bike engineering rights are held by them anyway and the bike looks like it will be homologated as a Speedbrain 450RR. The question remains as to the long term engine supply. I hear the Speedbrain guys are pretty happy doing everything in house rather than relying on Italy for the engine supply, but how this figures into the long term is yet to be determined.

Riders are contracted to Speedbrain through Dakar 2014, I suspect Speedbrain has enough engines on hand for this season and the next Dakar, but essentially what they become is the perfect setup for a manufacturer that wants to get involved with a turn key program. Rebrand the bikes and they are good to go, nearly.

Another tidbit I hear is that KTM has resigned Ruben Faria. This may be another shot over the bow of Cyril Despres. It's a smart move for Faria being that unless Despres could assure him a rol wherever he goes, quite frankly, Faria may have a hard time courting a comparable ride to KTM with someone else. At least on his own. This leaves Despres with the prospect of starting completely fresh with a new team or softening his approach to resigning with KTM. With Chaleco and Coma affirmed and Caselli a strong possibility for the future (if KTM is smart), I hate to ask, but is there any room left for Despres? I'm sure KTM would find the room, but Despres may be finding his musical chairs slowly disappearing.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:50 PM   #1833
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So a little digging leads me to clarify some things.

Riders are contracted to Speedbrain through Dakar 2014, I suspect Speedbrain has enough engines on hand for this season and the next Dakar, but essentially what they become is the perfect setup for a manufacturer that wants to get involved with a turn key program. Rebrand the bikes and they are good to go, nearly.

Another tidbit I hear is that KTM has resigned Ruben Faria. This may be another shot over the bow of Cyril Despres. It's a smart move for Faria being that unless Despres could assure him a rol wherever he goes, quite frankly, Faria may have a hard time courting a comparable ride to KTM with someone else. At least on his own. This leaves Despres with the prospect of starting completely fresh with a new team or softening his approach to resigning with KTM. With Chaleco and Coma affirmed and Caselli a strong possibility for the future (if KTM is smart), I hate to ask, but is there any room left for Despres? I'm sure KTM would find the room, but Despres may be finding his musical chairs slowly disappearing.

So, as clear as mud then

Who knows what new Husky are up to. riders looking for rides and , or are they?

For all the speculation Caselli has his contract with KTM in the States, so probably isn't interested in any event (well not for a living)?

Existing contracts to be continued/honoured or not; you would generally expect them to be optioned for renewal annually?

Faria being talked of as if he is nothing without CDP, but without CDP he would be Dakar winner 2013?

So we question the future, but what about the present and when will the music stop?
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:57 PM   #1834
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I thought Faria always rode a little slower only because he was a Water carrier. How many times have we seen him stopping and waiting for his guy in the past 4 years? I can remember or 7-8 times at least. He rides very very well, but conservatively for his friend and now he has been dropped? Must be a really bum deal for the guy, I know I would take it very hard. I think unleashed he is pretty close to alien status in his own right.

But if Cyril has been "playing poker well", then I guess its hardly a surpise that KTM have done this. A good way of calling his bluff and seeing whether he really wants to go (to Honda?) or not.

As much as I would like to see Honda win, I dont think thats going to happen for another year or two still. That bike still needs so much development and anyway they are redesigning the wheel it seems. I think it would be silly for Depres to switch now...surely? ontknow


One n00b question for ya Doyle: Does what youre saying imply that Speedbrain is going to become a new stand alone production bike in a year or so? If so that would be so, so cool. Im still pretty devastated that Husqvarna is now now longer...so maybe this could replace it?
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:30 PM   #1835
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For all the speculation Caselli has his contract with KTM in the States, so probably isn't interested in any event (well not for a living)?
You pose an interesting question (to me) here T.O. Just what is "for a living" to a top international rally racer? I would imagine that a top name like CDP is in the 2 or 3 million U.S. dollar range (although I could be way the hell off one direction or the other ). But what do the other top guys pull down? I'm always amazed by guys like Kurt and the other top off-road racers here in Southern California that the income of a successful racer is about the same as a gainfully employed weekend rider like myself. I could be completely wrong about the income of the top racers here in the States, but they all seem to live in homes and drive trucks similar to my own. This could be a cultural anomaly here in the US where the market for sports stars is somewhat diluted (thankfully not by soccer or snooker) but just how well do the top racers in other countries do?
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:31 PM   #1836
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Essentially what [Speedbrain has] become is the perfect setup for a manufacturer that wants to get involved with a turn key program. Rebrand the bikes and they are good to go, nearly.
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But if Cyril has been "playing poker well", then I guess its hardly a surpise that KTM have done this. A good way of calling his bluff and seeing whether he really wants to go (to Honda?) or not.
Quick, Doyle, give Jin Cheng a call. With Despres, Faria and Speedbrain all up for grabs, it's time for them to go from bottom of the pile to Dakar champions!

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Old 03-12-2013, 03:31 AM   #1837
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"BMW Motorrad and Speedbrain agree upon contract termination.

After competing successfully together on the rally scene for several years, BMW Motorrad and Speedbrain GmbH are parting ways by mutual consent.

Munich, 11th March 2013. The BMW Group is realigning its motorcycle business area and will, in the future, concentrate on expanding the BMW Motorrad brand. For this reason, Husqvarna Motorcycles has been sold to Pierer Industrie AG. This restructuring also has a knock-on effect on partner Speedbrain, with whom the BMW Group has cooperated very successfully in the field of motorcycle racing since 2006. BMW Motorrad and Speedbrain have, by mutual consent, terminated the existing contract with immediate effect.

“We would like to thank Speedbrain for the successful cooperation we have enjoyed in recent years,” said Berthold Hauser, Project Leader at BMW Motorrad. “In Speedbrain, we knew that we always had a reliable and highly professional partner on our side in our off-road activities. The team played a major part in the success we enjoyed in the off-road area, from titles in cross-country racing to stage wins at the legendary Rally Dakar and success at other endurance rallies. The new, overriding conditions meant we had to find an acceptable solution for both sides. This process took its course in the same spirit of partnership as has been present throughout the entire cooperation. Over the course of productive and harmonious discussions, we agreed to terminate the existing contract with immediate effect. We wish the Speedbrain team every success for its future in motorsport.”


Wolfgang Fischer, Managing Director of Speedbrain GmbH, said: “We are grateful to BMW Motorrad for the faith they have put in us in recent years. The outstanding cooperation and support we have received from BMW Motorrad over all the years should not be taken for granted. It has been great fun tackling the off-road racing adventures together with BMW Motorrad. It was a fantastic time, during which we all experienced and achieved a lot at rallies all over the world. We would like to wish BMW Motorrad all the best for the future, and are looking forward to the new challenges that now await us.”

Speedbrain has been the team responsible for the off-road activities of BMW Motorrad and Husqvarna Motorcycles since 2006. These initially included outings in Enduro racing and then, since 2011, on the rally scene, with successful starts at the infamous Rally Dakar, in the Rally World Championship, and at other important endurance races. Speedbrain will continue to be involved in motorsport as a rally team in the future".
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Old 03-12-2013, 07:00 AM   #1838
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I thought Faria always rode a little slower only because he was a Water carrier. How many times have we seen him stopping and waiting for his guy in the past 4 years? I can remember or 7-8 times at least. He rides very very well, but conservatively for his friend and now he has been dropped? Must be a really bum deal for the guy, I know I would take it very hard. I think unleashed he is pretty close to alien status in his own right.

But if Cyril has been "playing poker well", then I guess its hardly a surpise that KTM have done this. A good way of calling his bluff and seeing whether he really wants to go (to Honda?) or not.

As much as I would like to see Honda win, I dont think thats going to happen for another year or two still. That bike still needs so much development and anyway they are redesigning the wheel it seems. I think it would be silly for Depres to switch now...surely? ontknow


One n00b question for ya Doyle: Does what youre saying imply that Speedbrain is going to become a new stand alone production bike in a year or so? If so that would be so, so cool. Im still pretty devastated that Husqvarna is now now longer...so maybe this could replace it?
To the contrary, I hear KTM has resigned Faria so he's good to go with KTM. It would be interesting to see how he really does go unfettered to support someone else, but I suspect he still will not be a #1 rider even if Despres leaves. I don't think it's as much that KTM wants to cut Cyril loose as much as it is he is driving a hard bargain for a new contract with them or Honda.

Speedbrain owns nearly all the rights to the current TE449RR. They are completely separated from Husqvarna now and with the split from BMW, the bike essentially becomes a bespoke effort from the team and they become a small manufacturer similar to Bordone Ferrari and their Mi1. As I hear it, the bike will drop the Husky name and simply become a Speedbrain 450RR while the mechanical makeup remains the same.
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Old 03-12-2013, 07:09 AM   #1839
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As I hear it, the bike will drop the Husky name and simply become a Speedbrain 450RR while the mechanical makeup remains the same.
Lets see how long they will be able to keep their sponsors..
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Old 03-12-2013, 07:56 AM   #1840
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Lets see how long they will be able to keep their sponsors..
Yeah, I can see sponsors getting twitchy about losing the manufacturer linkage.

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To the contrary, I hear KTM has resigned Faria so he's good to go with KTM. It would be interesting to see how he really does go unfettered to support someone else, but I suspect he still will not be a #1 rider even if Despres leaves. I don't think it's as much that KTM wants to cut Cyril loose as much as it is he is driving a hard bargain for a new contract with them or Honda.

Speedbrain owns nearly all the rights to the current TE449RR. They are completely separated from Husqvarna now and with the split from BMW, the bike essentially becomes a bespoke effort from the team and they become a small manufacturer similar to Bordone Ferrari and their Mi1. As I hear it, the bike will drop the Husky name and simply become a Speedbrain 450RR while the mechanical makeup remains the same.
I thought you meant resigned( fired for polite people) not re-signed!!!

It all suddenly makes sense now!

Thanks also for the explanation regarding the TE449. Im delighted about that because I just love those bikes!
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:20 AM   #1842
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12/03 2013
KTM Rally Factory Team enters new era


KTM Motorsports has announced a new era for its factory rally team, which as of 2013 will ride under the name of Red Bull KTM Factory Racing.

The new team will field a strong three-rider lineup of Marc Coma, Ruben Faria and Kurt Caselli. The KTM factory team presence will be further enhanced by top Chilean rider Francesco ‘Chaleco’ Lopez who will be supported with a full factory package. Lopez will be competing on the same factory rally machine as the other three riders.

“Just as we always look to the future by constantly developing our rally bikes, we must also do that same with the structure of our factory team. It is essential to evolve, to engage new talent and have the kind of balance and harmony essential for the smooth operation of the team in extreme circumstances like the Dakar Rally,” said Pit Beirer, Head of KTM Motorsports. “We want to capitalize on the immense experience and talent of riders like Marc Coma, but also need to take advantage of those of ambitious up-and-coming riders like Caselli, Faria and Lopez.”

Coma of Spain, a three times Dakar winner was unable to ride in the 2013 edition because a shoulder injury sustained in a crash in the Morocco Rally had not completely healed. He is now fit and is preparing to defend his World Championship Cross Country Rally title starting with the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge (April 4-11). He and his now former KTM factory teammate Cyril Despres between them have dominated the Dakar, winning a total of eight titles of KTM’s 12 consecutive wins in what is certainly the world’s toughest rally.

Portuguese rider Ruben Faria, long time support rider to Despres enjoyed a very successful 2013 Dakar in his own right, finishing overall second, including a stage victory. Kurt Caselli, KTM’s offroad specialist and US factory rider was called in at the last minute to ride for the injured Coma. He delivered an impressive performance in his first Dakar appearance, including two stage victories. The popular Chilean Lopez was in great form on a KTM 450 Rally bike in the 2013 edition, finishing overall third with four stage victories.

Beirer underlined that KTM had enjoyed a great era with the Coma-Despres partnership in the factory team but underlined that when a rider of the high caliber of Despres indicated that he wanted to move on and face new challenges that the company had to respect his wish. He said KTM had experienced an era of unprecedented success while Despres has been a member of the company’s factory rally team. “His exemplary achievements are recognized throughout the world of motorsports and he will always be part of the history of our company. We thank him for his contribution and I join with everyone at KTM Motorsports and our entire company to wish him well for his chosen future.”

Looking forward, Beirer emphasized that it was important to remain open-minded and embrace change. “We must invest in new talent, just as we invest in new technology and I am confident that with the new team structure we will continue to play a dominant role in rally sport.
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So if Despres doesn't already have an arrangement with Honda, the pay he can demand just went down. Worst case scenario, Manuel can teach him how to ride on the cheap.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:44 AM   #1844
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:46 AM   #1845
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You pose an interesting question (to me) here T.O. Just what is "for a living" to a top international rally racer? I would imagine that a top name like CDP is in the 2 or 3 million U.S. dollar range (although I could be way the hell off one direction or the other ). But what do the other top guys pull down? I'm always amazed by guys like Kurt and the other top off-road racers here in Southern California that the income of a successful racer is about the same as a gainfully employed weekend rider like myself. I could be completely wrong about the income of the top racers here in the States, but they all seem to live in homes and drive trucks similar to my own. This could be a cultural anomaly here in the US where the market for sports stars is somewhat diluted (thankfully not by soccer or snooker) but just how well do the top racers in other countries do?
Interesting Will, I would have imagined it was a pretty good living for the top off roaders in the States, but sounds not?

Is that because the money is in MX and extreme etc. where the crowds are?

Of course in Europe it's pretty much the same, but the top riders will make a good living, but there again all the top sportsman do, it just depends on the commercialness of the sport in terms to dictate how many and how much!

For the Dakar the win and bonus maybe half a million, maybe another 150k factory a top factory salary, plus perks and then other win bonus's and sponsorship - don't know, maybe a million tops if you are a CDP or Coma and get a Dakar win?

Maybe 200 k for the next 4 or 5 and 50 - 100 k for another 4 or 5?

Pretty much guesswork, but certainly worth it for the top few, but the opportunities a pretty limited
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