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Old 03-14-2013, 12:07 AM   #3796
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but... isn't all of Big Basin Redwoods State Park closed to all vehicles? did the magazine get special permission to ride/drive on the fire roads? or are they just romanticizing China Grade into something that sounds more like two track
I would hope they'd qualify anything like that with "we got permission" or some such

You can ride/drive through the park. But as far as I know, there are no off-road tracks (unless you count the turn at hwy 9 as "going off-road" which you might easily do). There are definitely places it feels like two track. Especially with oncoming traffic
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:19 AM   #3797
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there's a nice little article in Motorcyclist this month, entitled "Touring California on a 2012 Ural Sidecar | Side By Side"... which, a page into it mentions this little gem:



but... isn't all of Big Basin Redwoods State Park closed to all vehicles? did the magazine get special permission to ride/drive on the fire roads? or are they just romanticizing China Grade into something that sounds more like two track

... than the badly paved goat path that it is?


why do they get all the fun? us locals want to ride those roads too!
This. I've ridden all the legal roadways in that area with a park ranger (for San Jose) who lives a few miles from the park, and there are no dirt roads legally passable by the public.

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Old 03-14-2013, 12:52 AM   #3798
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This. I've ridden all the legal roadways in that area with a park ranger (for San Jose) who lives a few miles from the park, and there are no dirt roads legally passable by the public.

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i totally want to write them and call them on it. it disheartens me to read such nonsense in something that's supposed to be about the soul of being a motorcyclist. makes me wonder how much of the rest of the writing is similar cruft.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:21 AM   #3799
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i totally want to write them and call them on it. it disheartens me to read such nonsense in something that's supposed to be about the soul of being a motorcyclist. makes me wonder how much of the rest of the writing is similar cruft.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:22 AM   #3800
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I haven't seen the Motorcyclist article, but yesterday I rode just over 4 miles (2+ miles in, and then return) on 100% legal dirt very close to Big Basin. Nothing rugged, but a scenic cruise.

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:35 AM   #3801
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I haven't beeen up there in a few years, but there used to be a dirt road, not technical or tough, sounds like what Dman is talking about.

Those writers are very good at sucking you into thinking there are miles and miles of cool dirt roads to ride in a state park.

We all know that there are only a handful of dirt rides (legal) in the Bay Area.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:52 AM   #3802
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Anyway, there's only ONE region that gets the rubric of 365 rideable days/year.

And----------it's here.


While I'm not surprised the Bay Area scored highest in number of ridable days per year, I have to question the stats for SJ and SF.

How is SJ 3 days LESS? What, it gets too hot here in the summer? It can get way too foggy in SF...

I ride 365 and I LIVE in SJ. So...nyah! Take that!




Oh and btw, SF SUCKS!
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:24 PM   #3803
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Anyway, there's only ONE region that gets the rubric of 365 rideable days/year.

And----------it's here.










gotta ride more...
I count 2. And I've ridden them both in the last month...
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:39 PM   #3804
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I count 2. And I've ridden them both in the last month...
I checked and checked, at least 5 times before I posted that, but knew as soon
as I used that definitive statement I'd be proven wrong.. Amazing how you only
see what you look for...



...and lucky you!
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:00 AM   #3805
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This. I've ridden all the legal roadways in that area with a park ranger (for San Jose) who lives a few miles from the park, and there are no dirt roads legally passable by the public.

Lex
True that there are no *through* dirt roads open to motor vehicles, but the last mile or so of upper China Grade (up to Johansen Road at the Boy Scout camp sign) and White House Canyon/Creek (accessed from Hwy 1) are both dirt and open to the public (at least to the point where they are each posted closed).

Upper Gazos Creek (up to Sandy Point) is also fun (but it's mostly broken pavement) when it is seasonally open.

None of these are super exciting in themselves, but I like to head up them occasionally for some variety on a larger SC mtns ride.

Big Basin Brochure (map at bottom): http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/540/fi...Layout2013.pdf
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:05 PM   #3806
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True that there are no *through* dirt roads open to motor vehicles, but the last mile or so of upper China Grade (up to Johansen Road at the Boy Scout camp sign) and White House Canyon/Creek (accessed from Hwy 1) are both dirt and open to the public (at least to the point where they are each posted closed).

Upper Gazos Creek (up to Sandy Point) is also fun (but it's mostly broken pavement) when it is seasonally open.

None of these are super exciting in themselves, but I like to head up them occasionally for some variety on a larger SC mtns ride.

Big Basin Brochure (map at bottom): http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/540/fi...Layout2013.pdf
White House Cyn/Creek is right before Costanoa if you're heading north?
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Whitehouse Creek (or Canyon, maps vary) is just south of Rossi Road which goes into Costanoa. The state park (Ano Nuevo) is being developed on the inland side of Hwy 1 so the dirt may soon be paved, or possibly closed to vehicles. At least that's my speculation, no facts.

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Old 03-18-2013, 12:47 AM   #3808
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True that there are no *through* dirt roads open to motor vehicles, but the last mile or so of upper China Grade (up to Johansen Road at the Boy Scout camp sign) and White House Canyon/Creek (accessed from Hwy 1) are both dirt and open to the public (at least to the point where they are each posted closed).

Upper Gazos Creek (up to Sandy Point) is also fun (but it's mostly broken pavement) when it is seasonally open.

None of these are super exciting in themselves, but I like to head up them occasionally for some variety on a larger SC mtns ride.

Big Basin Brochure (map at bottom): http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/540/fi...Layout2013.pdf
I had totally forgotten about the stretch of China Grade to the B.S. camp, though, how long is that, maybe a mile? A few years ago a friend and I rode into the B.S. camp, when nothing was going on; resident caretaker comes out to greet us / stop us; we're older than him, we strike up a pleasant conversation, ask if we could just tour the grounds on the bikes, caretaker looks us over, says "Sure." The scouts have a nice camp there. Years ago I used to take a picnic lunch, pull off on the side of the dirt China Grade road, hardly saw anyone the times I'd go there.

I've never seen Upper Gazos Creek open, just bad luck on my part, I guess.

But, I don't believe either of these roads are actually inside the confines of the park?

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Old 03-18-2013, 08:54 PM   #3809
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But, I don't believe either of these roads are actually inside the confines of the park?

Lex
Correct, so in that sense the Motorcyclist article is wrong or at least misleading. But I think it was a great read .... I would have liked to have taken a similar trip when my daughter was 12 (though I didn't have a good experience the only time I rode a sidecar).

Whitehouse Creek Rd is very close to the NW corner of Big Basin and does go into Ano Nuevo State Park.

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Old 03-19-2013, 07:13 PM   #3810
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Whitehouse Creek (or Canyon, maps vary) is just south of Rossi Road which goes into Costanoa. The state park (Ano Nuevo) is being developed on the inland side of Hwy 1 so the dirt may soon be paved, or possibly closed to vehicles. At least that's my speculation, no facts.

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It should stay open, since it provides access to a number of home sites (past the area posted closed). Paving, well I guess that's possible if there's money for that...

It isn't too exciting (starts straight and flat leading into a short hill section and a few corners) but it gets you to a trailhead where you can hike into Big Basin or the Cascade Ranch portion of Ano Nuevo. Signs posted to keep it slow on the curves and hill, and I've encountered a good number of people walking or biking. Not a good place for opening up a dual sport on the dirt IMO, but fun for a casual detour or general exploration.
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