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Old 03-23-2013, 03:27 PM   #16636
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I dropped by the local BMW dealer to check out the new GS and ended taking it for a 40 minute test ride. Real gem of a motor. Revs quick and pulls very hard, with enough low end torque that it will drive out of a very slow corner in 3rd gear without complaint. Power output is much greater than the S10. Obviously Yamaha's 1200cc liquid cooled twin could have been tuned to a much high spec and the power tamed with different driving modes, it's a real shame that Yamaha didn't do more in this respect. The GS sounds fantastic with a deep, throaty tone. I don't know how BMW manages to get that loud of an exhaust approved, but Yamaha goes with a muffler that sounds like a garbage disposal.

I believe the BMW is manufactured from surplus Yamaha mufflers
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:47 PM   #16637
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Hey Joe, I'm so happy for you my friend!
I should planning my trip back to Denver so we can ride some together!! or you come over here in europe and explore some old countries! ^^

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Old 03-23-2013, 03:48 PM   #16638
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I dropped by the local BMW dealer to check out the new GS and ended taking it for a 40 minute test ride. Real gem of a motor. Revs quick and pulls very hard, with enough low end torque that it will drive out of a very slow corner in 3rd gear without complaint. Power output is much greater than the S10. Obviously Yamaha's 1200cc liquid cooled twin could have been tuned to a much high spec and the power tamed with different driving modes, it's a real shame that Yamaha didn't do more in this respect. The GS sounds fantastic with a deep, throaty tone. I don't know how BMW manages to get that loud of an exhaust approved, but Yamaha goes with a muffler that sounds like a garbage disposal.
I think YAMAHA was overcautious with the first three gear but since that's a 50c fix I don't care.

Secondly as I have always said YAMAHA cold have come out with a high HP high compression motor but that would put a few spanners in the works for me.

But for those that only use bikes on road or soft road, the way these things are set up now, and that includes Tiger Ex, Versys and I assume the new DL1000 etc it works well I suppose.

If that is the way things are going I am sure YAMAHA could do a triple or a big power twin with lot's of maps,

We'll see how it goes. I am sure they have one of each back at lab right now.

As a first release I am sure YAMAHA wanted a bike that was bullet proof and could travel around the world with few issues. It's just that not many people do that.

So it may be a good time for YAMAHA to release a TRX1200 or a lighter more fragile XT1200.
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:21 PM   #16639
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My tenere seems to be wearing the rear brake quite quickly. At 20k miles it is mostly consumed. It has not been ridden hard.

I would like to know if it is possible to grind this rotor like with a car.

If not how much money is a new rear rotor?

Thanks.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:06 PM   #16640
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Have you got a link for that ?

I may be able to get there.
See you there.
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=5637.0
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:09 PM   #16641
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Maybe he's just not punch-drunk off the Blue koolaid, and wanted to initiate some positive discourse.


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I was curious about how the new GS stacked up against my Super Tenere and figured others here might be as well. Was surprised by some of the responses thought all the narrow-minded koolaid slurpers were in the Oilhead Boxer forum.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:31 PM   #16642
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OK this is not an S10 but...

Just to give an idea how far these big slow revin' under stressed motors with under stressed riders can go if you are not seduced by the latest gee wiz electronic gismo bikes...

http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl-1000-...0-writeup.html

Just checked back to see how Werra was going at 272,810 Miles.(436,496Km)

Anyone who is worried about the S10 lasting 200,000 miles shouldn't be. (Assuming that wasn't made up of 100,000 trips to Starbucks that is)
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:33 PM   #16643
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thought all the narrow-minded koolaid slurpers were in the Oilhead Boxer forum.
Just goes to show the S10 is as good as an oil head then?

But really, if you look at the motor it has suddenly acquired a few "2010 S10" features, at a price, hasn't it?

But no one is over there mentioning it.

The RRP numbers have been released for OZ and it looks good on the base spec until you realize that once the options are added, it's still 30-40% more money.

I have heard that it has switchable ABS as well. Did you find the option?

So I wonder if YAMAHA will ever be able to charge BMW prices. Imagine what would be possible.

look up YAMAHA morpho and morpho II from 25 years ago. A lot of those technologies would be good on an all purpose bike.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:36 PM   #16644
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Yeah, I agree the S10 is good bang for the buck but for the same money Yamaha could have tuned the motor a bit better. At the very least done away with the tuning that created a $450 surcharge to get rid of the 1-3 gear restrictions. The GS pulls like a beast in both road and dynamic modes right off the showroom floor.
Not surprising. You see the same thing around you every day, don't you? About the only things that jump out and say 'notice me' are the pachinko parlors. In the same manner, yamaha has made the tenere very low-key and reliable, if not a bit boring and sedate for some people in stock trim.

I've grown a bit suspicious of bikes that give a wow factor on first impression, regardless of brand. The 4-valve oil head boxer also has a more powerful engine than the S10, and made the claim that it could burn any grade of fuel because of the knock sensor. Turns out it burned up cylinder heads on RTW trips.

All I'm saying is if you start bumping up the compression and give the bike more agressive timing there's normally a trade off. Remove the restriction in the first three gears and the S10 will still not have the power of the beemer engine although the low-end pull noticably improves. It all comes down to being purpose-built. Yamaha has designed the S10 to operate reliably most anywhere in the world, while BMW banks on the fact that the majority of riders will stay primarily on tarmac. They also know that many will gladly pay a premium for the bike and all of the maintenance headaches for the privelage of sporting the blue and white badge.


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Old 03-23-2013, 07:04 PM   #16645
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My tenere seems to be wearing the rear brake quite quickly. At 20k miles it is mostly consumed. It has not been ridden hard.

I would like to know if it is possible to grind this rotor like with a car.
The rotors are not designed with enough excess thickness to be machined, but a few have done it anyway.

Why do you think you need to replace the rotor? They typically last through several sets of brake pads.

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Old 03-23-2013, 07:10 PM   #16646
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Just goes to show the S10 is as good as an oil head then?

But really, if you look at the motor it has suddenly acquired a few "2010 S10" features, at a price, hasn't it?

But no one is over there mentioning it.

The RRP numbers have been released for OZ and it looks good on the base spec until you realize that once the options are added, it's still 30-40% more money.

I have heard that it has switchable ABS as well. Did you find the option?

So I wonder if YAMAHA will ever be able to charge BMW prices. Imagine what would be possible.

look up YAMAHA morpho and morpho II from 25 years ago. A lot of those technologies would be good on an all purpose bike.
Only the premium line 12GS is sold here in Japan, it has all the whiz-bang features. About $7,000 dearer than the Super Tenere, although they will through in a grand's worth of accessories for free. I think switchable ABS is standard in the GS lineup, even my Dakar has it.

No doubt the S10 will be be more reliable over the long term and I'm not rushing to trade mine in. Just think it would have been nice if Yamaha had given more consideration to the modes.

Do you think Yamaha would have to bump the compression up to get more power? The Tenere's 11.0:1 is quite a bit higher than the compression on the 145hp FJR and unlike the FJR requires premium gas.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:10 PM   #16647
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i still don't feel or care I guess if there is a restriction in the low gears. I must be somewhat retarded in my expectations of what a good engine is because to me the Tenere is darn good.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:17 PM   #16648
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I was curious about how the new GS stacked up against my Super Tenere and figured others here might be as well. Was surprised by some of the responses thought all the narrow-minded koolaid slurpers were in the Oilhead Boxer forum.
I think it was your tone more than anything. I'll chalk it up to context and inflection being lost in the written (typed) word.

I bet that motor is sweet though, and I wish the Tenere had the ABS setup the BMW does where you can turn the rear off but leave the front on. That would be ideal.

I just can't get over the look of the new 1200GS. Maybe it looks better in person, but the camera is not that bike's friend. Or it could just be me. Doesn't matter really since I've still got 4 years and three months or 40k miles before I can consider a new bike. Keeping it for 5 years or 50k miles was the deal when I got the Tenere.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:20 PM   #16649
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i still don't feel or care I guess if there is a restriction in the low gears. I must be somewhat retarded in my expectations of what a good engine is because to me the Tenere is darn good.
I thought the same thing till I did the fuse mod. There's a huge difference, comfirmed in dyno charts as about 20hp.

I added a switch and use SS for normal conditions and only revert to standard S for slippery road conditions when I want a less abrupt response.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:23 PM   #16650
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I think it was your tone more than anything. I'll chalk it up to context and inflection being lost in the written (typed) word.

I bet that motor is sweet though, and I wish the Tenere had the ABS setup the BMW does where you can turn the rear off but leave the front on. That would be ideal.

I just can't get over the look of the new 1200GS. Maybe it looks better in person, but the camera is not that bike's friend. Or it could just be me. Doesn't matter really since I've still got 4 years and three months or 40k miles before I can consider a new bike. Keeping it for 5 years or 50k miles was the deal when I got the Tenere.
Tone? I think you read into it too much. Try not to be too sensitive, otherwise you will be mistaken for a BMW owner.

To be honest I love bikes, not brands. Right now I have a Yamaha, BMW, Suzuki and a Harley sitting in my garage.

I also don't care for the looks, but that motor is magnificent. The on-the-fly adjustable screen is pretty nifty as well.
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