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Old 03-25-2013, 12:41 AM   #91
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"Ummmm, I think i,ll have two all day gob stoppers, nah, actually make that a packet of jet planes and, no, I reckon snakes with some eskimo's, then again three lollipops for twenty cents............."

At this point the shop keeper kicks him fair up the arse.

No children were harmed in this episode
Padmei, are you using TriBoy's login again?
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:46 AM   #92
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tehehe

I saw this this morning & for some reason thought it looked great. I can't explain why but te front fairing looked so good.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-575638746.htm


I saw one of those honda NC700s the other day. A bit unsual - some might say provocative?
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:54 AM   #93
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Sounds like the dilemma I'm having...
Thought I wanted a 100% road bike... more I think about it..
Like the idea of a good touring bike that can wander down gravel roads
like Molesworth / Dansys pass etc..
most lightly going to be a Honda NC700 "this week"
The specs between the "S" & "X" versions is almost the same
Other than the "X" being 40mm taller seat & 25mm more ground clearance
over the "S" road version... prob the "S" with a set of 705s would be just
as good on gravel...

NC700X ===> http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_nc700x_2012.php

NC700S ===> http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_nc700s_2012.php

just need a buyer for the XR250... don't need 3 bikes to reg....


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if you get to ride a 700 let me know what you think
I'm glad I'm not the only one with these difficult problems


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Must be something in the air, hours searching trade me and a KLR is all I can come up with too (no imagination or what?), but the mods I have done recently on mine have changed the bike a lot. Big front rotor means it now stops and the rejet and advancing the exhaust cam has made the motor come alive, and I can still dump it in a rocky creek a couple of times and ride home with no damage.
So road bike= Naaaaaa.
great minds think alike huh

or is it fools seldom differ......


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"Ummmm, I think i,ll have two all day gob stoppers, nah, actually make that a packet of jet planes and, no, I reckon snakes with some eskimo's, then again three lollipops for twenty cents............."

At this point the shop keeper kicks him fair up the arse.

No children were harmed in this episode
well I suppose that was entirely called for...

you are still a complete prick though
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:20 AM   #94
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On just about every ride I ended up exploring some dirt roads
You don't need an adventure bike for dirt roads. All-rounders (that is, anything but a big-mutha tourer or a hyper-sprotsbike) are fine on dirt roads. At the time I had both the Trophy and the Tiger, I did more dirt on the Trophy, usually two-up with camping gear, than I did on the Tiger. That was purely because when we were touring I never let a dirt road put me off going to interesting places. It was fine, easily do the speed limit on a good dirt road. A naked would be better than a fully-faired in that regard, if only for the extra ground clearance. The belly-pan of the Trophy copped a few whacks on rock ledges and kerbs etc.

Yes, narrow 21" fronts are better, but they are not mandatory.

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another KLR

There are a few relatively low cost mods I can do to the klr to improve the power and braking of my existing bike so I might do those and see how it goes
At the risk of sounding boring, you can port those to a newer KLR for next to no cost when the time comes, too.

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can you mix radials and cross-plys on a motorbike?
Is the anakee or something similar going to offer an advantage on a low powered bike like the klr? The thing I most hate on the road is losing the front so I'm happy to spend the extra if there if a benefit.
You are not supposed to, but adventurers mix'n'match their tyres so much I don't think anyone would particularly notice.

Road riders often put a stickier tyre on the front (and indeed, within the same model, tyre manufacturers now do this) which means the back is going to let go first, causing a high-side. It also tends to dismiss the idea that you need rear traction to balance the bike and get you through any given turn.

Adventure riders often put a stickier tyre (for tarmac, that is, closer-pattern tread) on the rear which means the bike front-end steers better in the dirt and gets better mileage from the rear. This means on-road the front is going to let go first, causing a low-side. This also tends to dismiss the effects of rear-wheel steering, which I have learnt is very worthwhile off-tarmac.

Which would you rather have: high-side or low-side, hmmm?
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:33 PM   #95
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Dunno about on a KLR, but on the TT and DR I don't get any front end push or washing out with the 705 front.

Did with the Shinko 244 front...
Thanks Nordie

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trade me search only thing is a tiger....expand the years abit and it becomes a bit more interesting ktm 990,few more tigers..
oooh theres a 955 tiger in Wellywood - I might see if I can have a look tonight seeing as I'm in town today. There is also a tidy tiger in Taupo I might have a look at. And there are also some transalps at the honda dealer in Pamly so thats nice and close too.

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You don't need an adventure bike for dirt roads. All-rounders (that is, anything but a big-mutha tourer or a hyper-sprotsbike) are fine on dirt roads. At the time I had both the Trophy and the Tiger, I did more dirt on the Trophy, usually two-up with camping gear, than I did on the Tiger. That was purely because when we were touring I never let a dirt road put me off going to interesting places. It was fine, easily do the speed limit on a good dirt road. A naked would be better than a fully-faired in that regard, if only for the extra ground clearance. The belly-pan of the Trophy copped a few whacks on rock ledges and kerbs etc.

Yes, narrow 21" fronts are better, but they are not mandatory.

At the risk of sounding boring, you can port those to a newer KLR for next to no cost when the time comes, too.

You are not supposed to, but adventurers mix'n'match their tyres so much I don't think anyone would particularly notice.

Road riders often put a stickier tyre on the front (and indeed, within the same model, tyre manufacturers now do this) which means the back is going to let go first, causing a high-side. It also tends to dismiss the idea that you need rear traction to balance the bike and get you through any given turn.

Adventure riders often put a stickier tyre (for tarmac, that is, closer-pattern tread) on the rear which means the bike front-end steers better in the dirt and gets better mileage from the rear. This means on-road the front is going to let go first, causing a low-side. This also tends to dismiss the effects of rear-wheel steering, which I have learnt is very worthwhile off-tarmac.

Which would you rather have: high-side or low-side, hmmm?
While I'm sure a big stable road bike is fine on smooth dirt, in hindsight (and contrary to my earlier waffle), I really want to retain the capability of going through places like the 42nd traverse or big river.

It seems that what is optimal for dirt (knobby front and milder rear) is the opposite of what you want on the seal.

I actually haven't found the cornering limits of the mt21 on the seal but heavy braking really destroys the knobs - the current tire has actually started ripping chunks off the back off the knobs. I should have done what Nordie suggested and rotated it half way through its life.

Actually what I really fancy right now is a strop over Takaka hill and a cruise up to cobb dam and then around to anatori. Might come down after easter if I can swing it - would any of you Nelson sods be interested?.
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:02 PM   #96
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Actually what I really fancy right now is a strop over Takaka hill and a cruise up to cobb dam and then around to anatori. Might come down after easter if I can swing it - would any of you Nelson sods be interested?.
Yes...

Been wanting to get out to Anatori to the sand dunes...
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:45 PM   #97
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Hi Mark

Your problem with choice probably reflects the constant compromise that we all are faced with. When I'm on the tarseal with the KTM, I would rather be on the Guzzi and when I hit gravel on the Guzzi I think of the KTM. Surprisingly the old seventies bikes with their narrow tyres handle gravel ok. Clip ons aren't helpful though.

I'll keep an eye on this thread and may join you down South if work doesn't get in the way.

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Old 03-25-2013, 08:11 PM   #98
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:35 PM   #99
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Actually what I really fancy right now is a strop over Takaka hill and a cruise up to cobb dam and then around to anatori. Might come down after easter if I can swing it - would any of you Nelson sods be interested?.
Yes this sod is, got some nice smooth tyres I wanna try out on the takaka hill (over knobblies) and have never been to anatori.

If your back wasn't so fcuked we could take you on one of those stupid NADS rides, but only as a prospect at this stage so don't get your hopes up.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:10 AM   #100
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i wouldn't mind doing Anatori again - it's a cool ride across all the causeways.

I may trailer trash with some some other mates with small dirtbikes & maybe see yous there.
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if you get to ride a 700 let me know what you think
I had a sit on a 700X recently, it was quite comfortable but the tank/storage was quite wide above the knees so I'm not sure how it would be to stand up.

They did look look nice as a gravel road bike.

Would it be concerning that really you are riding a dressed up scooter?
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Would it be concerning that really you are riding a dressed up scooter?
What you got against scooters? I used to ride Mandy's Gilera Runner to the Kiwi. Passed a lot of bigger bikes in the Gravel going into the site...

MarkS, I was becoming concerned for a bit there that you would limit yourself away from the 42nd & other gems by focussing in on a road bike. Don't think a Bandit would be comfortable mid 42nd or Big River. Good to see things swinging back to ADV bikes
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It seems that what is optimal for dirt (knobby front and milder rear) is the opposite of what you want on the seal.
I'm suggesting that it's not, because on the seal you want the front to let go first to low-side. And knobblies tend to let go slowly and recoverably - much more so than full street tyres.

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Actually what I really fancy right now is a strop over Takaka hill and a cruise up to cobb dam and then around to anatori. Might come down after easter if I can swing it - would any of you Nelson sods be interested?.
Would love to join you but can't for a good few weekends.

I'm currently on a lap of the mainland, started Friday week ago with a ride to the Mussel Inn and back. Rest of the trip has been mostly driving the van & trailer. I get back on Thursday arvo and then Friday morning head off on the bike to the annual trip to Sandhills Creek (next one north of the Anatori) for the Easter caving camp. Always up for more riding out there though! I could be persuaded to be the support wagon for an overnight at Trilobite Hut (on the Cobb Reservoir) because I've wanted to take my boy out there for ages.

The weekend after Easter is a club trail ride, which I am using to dial in the EXC's suspension - picked up the re-valved forks from DAS Moto today, with quite a list of instructions to get the chassis sorted. The weekend after is Rnd 1 of the cross-country series.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:02 PM   #105
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Yes...

Been wanting to get out to Anatori to the sand dunes...
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Hi Mark

Your problem with choice probably reflects the constant compromise that we all are faced with. When I'm on the tarseal with the KTM, I would rather be on the Guzzi and when I hit gravel on the Guzzi I think of the KTM. Surprisingly the old seventies bikes with their narrow tyres handle gravel ok. Clip ons aren't helpful though.

I'll keep an eye on this thread and may join you down South if work doesn't get in the way.

Cheers

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would be great if you could join me Wayne - what would you bring? - the rockn'rolla or the paint shaker?

I haven't mentioned any of this to her indoors yet but I was vaguely thinking of a 4 day weekend - allowing 2 travel days and 2 fun days.


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Yes this sod is, got some nice smooth tyres I wanna try out on the takaka hill (over knobblies) and have never been to anatori.

If your back wasn't so fcuked we could take you on one of those stupid NADS rides, but only as a prospect at this stage so don't get your hopes up.
Going on a 'test back' trail ride on Friday. It would probably be ok if I didnt keep falling off all the time....

Anatori is a sweet ride

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Aorere Goldfields is (almost on the way)...
I think I'd need an mt21 front for that - I seem to recall some slippery clay downhills where I was merely the passenger last time...
(and James using his big to jump start a van...)

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i wouldn't mind doing Anatori again - it's a cool ride across all the causeways.

I may trailer trash with some some other mates with small dirtbikes & maybe see yous there.
Those causeways are really awesome to ride across - best part of that ride I think.

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I had a sit on a 700X recently, it was quite comfortable but the tank/storage was quite wide above the knees so I'm not sure how it would be to stand up.

They did look look nice as a gravel road bike.

Would it be concerning that really you are riding a dressed up scooter?
I'm secure in my manhood - if I can ride a klr in public I can ride a scooter

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What you got against scooters? I used to ride Mandy's Gilera Runner to the Kiwi. Passed a lot of bigger bikes in the Gravel going into the site...

MarkS, I was becoming concerned for a bit there that you would limit yourself away from the 42nd & other gems by focussing in on a road bike. Don't think a Bandit would be comfortable mid 42nd or Big River. Good to see things swinging back to ADV bikes
Its been an interesting process - in a way hurting my back has been a blessing in disguise as its forced me to get out on the klr again and I have had so much fun on those backroads in the Ashurst - Taihape - Wanganui triangle. Riding down the forgotten highway last Sunday was just the best riding ever - what a magic magic road

Talked to a nice couple at the Wanga pub who dont go further north than the pub because they don't want to ride their sport bikes on the 10km? of gravel - they miss out on the best part of the ride. They were also commenting on how poor the road surface was - I never noticed on the klr

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I'm suggesting that it's not, because on the seal you want the front to let go first to low-side. And knobblies tend to let go slowly and recoverably - much more so than full street tyres.

Would love to join you but can't for a good few weekends.

I'm currently on a lap of the mainland, started Friday week ago with a ride to the Mussel Inn and back. Rest of the trip has been mostly driving the van & trailer. I get back on Thursday arvo and then Friday morning head off on the bike to the annual trip to Sandhills Creek (next one north of the Anatori) for the Easter caving camp. Always up for more riding out there though! I could be persuaded to be the support wagon for an overnight at Trilobite Hut (on the Cobb Reservoir) because I've wanted to take my boy out there for ages.

The weekend after Easter is a club trail ride, which I am using to dial in the EXC's suspension - picked up the re-valved forks from DAS Moto today, with quite a list of instructions to get the chassis sorted. The weekend after is Rnd 1 of the cross-country series.
At least you aren't suffering from boredom....
I'll prolly stick the new mt21 front I have sitting in the shed on at least that will give me a few more off road options. I need another front wheel so I can have a roady tire already mounted.

Well last night I rode another bandit (2007 1250 mint 25km $6k) it needed a new rear tire and the 'flat' bit in the middle of the wide 180/55 really really destroyed its handling - other than that it was a sweet bike and a bargain at $6k.

I also rode a 2003 955 tiger which was a bit tatty and had done 50km - the motor/gearbox were sweet and it felt very much like a klr with the engine it really needed. Once underway the extra weight disappears and the front brakes were great - pity the front tire went flat before I had a chance to go more than a few km.

I'd need to ride another one or two but its a definite contender

Its been a really interesting exercise trying all these bikes - really forced me to think hard about what I really want as opposed to what I think I want.

I'm really happy with the klr ergo's/comfort/handling/size/luggage capacity etc its really just the recent reliability (which may just be an expensive bad patch - which can be fixed with moola or a newer klr), brakes (which I think I can fix with a bigger disc etc) and the engine (which I can improve but it will never be an engine that I look forward to using).

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