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Old 03-27-2013, 06:41 PM   #14326
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Perfect indeed Sjoerd. It was my intention to ride that route and then over to Zihua through Oaxaca, Cuernavaca, Taxco, Iguala, Arcelia, Altamirano and down the 134 to Zihua. My plans were radically altered by a stomach virus that has been going around Oaxaca State.
I had met George Fields, another rider, at the weekly moto club meeting in SMA. Several of us took a ride out to Mineral de Pozos where we had a phenomenal lunch. Over lunch George told me that he had a little hotel, Bahia de la Luna between Zipolite and Puerto Angel, Oaxaca. I visited the place, thankfully on four wheels, it would have been my undoing on a heavily laden GS with a bad leg and a worse stomach, it is really nice. Not a place to go solo, take your best gal or someone else's best gal and go there. Anyway, George's partner in the place is a gentleman from Berlin, Germany by the name of Detleff. Detleff used to own the restaurant Berlin in SMA. Very nice man and quite knowledgable about Mexico. I oultined my routing plans and his eyes grew wild and wide.... oh, no! Don't go there! (Altamirano) My friend was murdered there and we had to go down and pick up his body. When George returns from his week at the beach I will try to get more details as to dates and circumstances.... there are so many stories here with so many outcomes.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:30 PM   #14327
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I've noticed that Chiliangos love being around each other. Down at the beach you see 20 Chilangos in the ocean and 150 packed into the swimming pool. I don't understand, maybe some kind of a Spring Chilango spawning ritual?

On Monday I went from Oaxaca city to Huatulco on HW 175. It is about 200 km of tight curves over some big mountains. That is would be an epic route on a bike. I'm sure some guys on this forum have done it. I was in the cage with the family. Thank goodness for Dramamine. I'd come back to Oaxaca just to do that stretch on the bike.
I wouldn't mine being chilango if I could afford this 4ac out through Toluca at750US per meter 4Mper ac remember when Santa Fe was trash land filling
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:00 AM   #14328
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Perfect indeed Sjoerd. It was my intention to ride that route and then over to Zihua through Oaxaca, Cuernavaca, Taxco, Iguala, Arcelia, Altamirano and down the 134 to Zihua. My plans were radically altered by a stomach virus that has been going around Oaxaca State.
I had met George Fields, another rider, at the weekly moto club meeting in SMA. Several of us took a ride out to Mineral de Pozos where we had a phenomenal lunch. Over lunch George told me that he had a little hotel, Bahia de la Luna between Zipolite and Puerto Angel, Oaxaca. I visited the place, thankfully on four wheels, it would have been my undoing on a heavily laden GS with a bad leg and a worse stomach, it is really nice. Not a place to go solo, take your best gal or someone else's best gal and go there. Anyway, George's partner in the place is a gentleman from Berlin, Germany by the name of Detleff. Detleff used to own the restaurant Berlin in SMA. Very nice man and quite knowledgable about Mexico. I oultined my routing plans and his eyes grew wild and wide.... oh, no! Don't go there! (Altamirano) My friend was murdered there and we had to go down and pick up his body. When George returns from his week at the beach I will try to get more details as to dates and circumstances.... there are so many stories here with so many outcomes.
Altamirano is definitely not a Pueblo Magico.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:53 AM   #14329
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Agreed. I lived there 2 summers ago for 5 months.
Awesome town for culture and there is a ton of dirt riding to the east in the mtns. One was called the Royal Road and was dated back to the Spanish silver supply chain. The restaurant above the bridge in town is great and cheap. You'll see people up there as you walk under.

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Don't skip Guanajuato. One of my favorite towns. The main market, the lookout on top of the city, the tunnels, the cafes...A great place to be. I don't know much about Guadalajara to Guanajuato...but there is a cool road between Guanajuato and SMA (67) It's fast and curvy. We had a blast a few years ago and are going back in a couple of months.

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Old 03-28-2013, 09:10 AM   #14330
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I wouldn't mine being chilango if I could afford this 4ac out through Toluca at750US per meter 4Mper ac remember when Santa Fe was trash land filling
I'm curious what the "U$d 750" and the "u$d 0.04" mean. Anybody? How much would this property cost in pesos or dollars? $14.85 million dollars? Do I have that right? If so, wow! Almost 5 acres though.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:43 AM   #14331
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Tijuana or Tecate

In about a month I will be crossing back into the US headed for Carlsbad, CA and then North to LA. I will be riding up the Baja and it looks like I have the option of crossing at TJ or Tecate. Any suggestions, cautions and outright warnings would be most appreciated. Because of my impaired left knee I do not plan to be doing anything very challenging, pavement. It looks like I have the option just north of Ensenada to take the 1 to TJ or the 3 to Tecate. Clearly I would want to choose the least hassle re-entry point where I can close out the TVIP and begin the journey home.

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Old 03-28-2013, 12:02 PM   #14332
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Altamirano is definitely not a Pueblo Magico.
Spent a night there two years ago. It wasn't bad, but then again, it wasn't magical either. ;)
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:54 PM   #14333
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In about a month I will be crossing back into the US headed for Carlsbad, CA and then North to LA. I will be riding up the Baja and it looks like I have the option of crossing at TJ or Tecate. Any suggestions, cautions and outright warnings would be most appreciated. Because of my impaired left knee I do not plan to be doing anything very challenging, pavement. It looks like I have the option just north of Ensenada to take the 1 to TJ or the 3 to Tecate. Clearly I would want to choose the least hassle re-entry point where I can close out the TVIP and begin the journey home.

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TJ can be a very long wait. You can split lanes but is still long. Tecate or even Mexicali will usually be better. Check this site if you can before you head to a crossing.

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Old 03-28-2013, 01:07 PM   #14334
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[QUOTE=rockymountainoyster; ... It was my intention to ride that route and then over to Zihua through Oaxaca, Cuernavaca, Taxco, Iguala, Arcelia, Altamirano and down the 134 to Zihua.
.. there are so many stories here with so many outcomes.[/QUOTE]

Re: Cd Altamirano not being " Pueblo magico " material...
The town is actually interesting in its own right, being a major focus of transport (Mex 134 and Mex 51 ) and commerce of the Tierra Caliente, and it has good hotels too. I have in the past and will again stay there whenever it is convenient..
A minor caveat might apply to Mex 134 down to the coast and Zihuatanejo. In the last mountainous 100km sector to the coast highway there have been over the years a number of banditry incidents. I have run that section repeatedly with no incident . Two years ago however when going north from Zihua we met at a photo stop a Canadian tourist couple in a car who had ,they said and in very flustered state, just outrun and slipped through an attempted armed robbery on that highway. Taking this as fair warning we on motorcycles turned around and retraced the 80km to Mex 200 On the way back we stopped to talk with the driver of a pickup truck who had earlier when we were still heading north had frantically waved at us . He was a worker for a Mexican governmental agency and he said he had indeed been robbed of his wallet and telephone.
The point is to keep informed about road situations by frequently asking locally and make informed decisions.
.Perhaps the "vigilancia " committee has already " taken care " of the highway bandit nest
I would not let the murder story dissuade me from visiting Cd Altamirano.
As you say there are many stories and if there is enough research done and the persons in the know are truthful it will, I bet, come to light that the victim was likely engaged in risky busines, an" alternate lifestyle' and made poor choices as to the company he kept or sought out.
Simply because a murder happened, unfortunate and sad as it may be for the victim ,family and friends , it is no reason to shun any place. If that were the reason to avoid a town you would never go anywhere. For instance here in peacful civilized southern Ontario the small city I lived near for many years has in recent years had a child kidnapping and murder, a murder-dismemberment, a quadruple murder, and several other murders and violent incidents. I still visit and shop there regularly, never give it a thought or a worry.
Same applies to Mexico or anywhere else.

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Old 03-29-2013, 02:31 AM   #14335
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I posted this pic but thought about it and decided to just link it. I am sure those that love riding and living in mexico will disagree but Mexico is a dangerous place.
Click the pic.
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:19 AM   #14336
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Very bad, very sad but a file photo attributed to "stringer, Reuters" with no further attribution or date, place and time is stretching credibility a bit... where is the story that goes with the photo... every picture tells a story but this story is very incomplete. I would like to know more about this incident, why all the victims were bandaged in this way, who the people in the background are, where are the CSI babes and dudes with the rubber gloves, where are all of the soldiers and Policia Federal who seem to populate even the smallest crime scene here. Where did this picture come from? Other than an astounding 14K plus posts on this website what is the poster's cred. What is the motivation for the post? Without "redeeming social value" (Supreme court of the United States definition) this is just "murder porn" Please give this some context. Thank you for your time.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:12 AM   #14337
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:22 AM   #14338
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Very bad, very sad but a file photo attributed to "stringer, Reuters" with no further attribution or date, place and time is stretching credibility a bit... where is the story that goes with the photo... every picture tells a story but this story is very incomplete. I would like to know more about this incident, why all the victims were bandaged in this way, who the people in the background are, where are the CSI babes and dudes with the rubber gloves, where are all of the soldiers and Policia Federal who seem to populate even the smallest crime scene here. Where did this picture come from? Other than an astounding 14K plus posts on this website what is the poster's cred. What is the motivation for the post? Without "redeeming social value" (Supreme court of the United States definition) this is just "murder porn" Please give this some context. Thank you for your time.
you asked.... it's not hard to find ... do a google search for mexico dead victims in plastic chairs: pages of hits ...

this story was plastered all over news sites a few days ago ... all sorts of conflicting stories found ...

got a trip planned to Mexico so naturally this would concern anyone headed that way. yes .. I'm still going
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:13 AM   #14339
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It looks like the photo of the 7 young men murdered in Uruapan last Saturday morning and then propped up on chairs at a glorieta on Lazaro Cardenas. There were ice picks stuck in their chests with warnings from a narco group. I was staying at a hotel on the plaza a few blocks away when the bodies were found.
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Once again demonstrating what we always say - stay the hell away from narcos and dope and you'll be fine.


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