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Old 03-26-2013, 07:32 PM   #406
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Actually, Coachgeo is exactly right, and EVERY bike you have encountered requires you to turn one way to initiate the turn, then turn the other way to continue it. The "turn the other way" part is generally even less understood than the countersteering part, since it happens pretty much by itself. You countersteer to set your lean angle, then relax your grip and the front wheel naturally comes across the center and you follow around the corner. Then you countersteer again to change your lean angle (whether to tighten the turn, or to end it and become upright again), and once the desired angle is set, you allow the bike to follow its set course again.

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Old 03-27-2013, 05:45 PM   #407
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Step 1: Read http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~fajans...eerBikeAJP.PDF

Step 2: and enjoy the ride

Step 3 (optional; no extra credit given): Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzG9_...layer_embedded
and have a beer.

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Old 03-27-2013, 07:28 PM   #408
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I don't need to argue with that guy; I don't disagree with him. Nothing I said contradicts anything he said, and I certainly wasn't arguing for "body steering" without using the handlebars, which is what you linked to was all about. I'm saying (like he does) that you use countersteering to set up the turn. Then you follow the turn, and then you use countersteering again to end the turn.

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Exactly! Step "e" is the one I'm talking about here.

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Old 03-27-2013, 09:39 PM   #409
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I think Einstein said it best, "if you can't explain it simply to your grandmother, you don't understand it."

Like I said, go out, practice, do it, feel it, learn it. Then do it a LOT more.
Then continue to do it and learn it by feeling it.

In other words, just ride a lot more and work with it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:55 AM   #410
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I think Einstein said it best, "if you can't explain it simply to your grandmother, you don't understand it."

Like I said, go out, practice, do it, feel it, learn it. Then do it a LOT more.
Then continue to do it and learn it by feeling it.

In other words, just ride a lot more and work with it.
agree on the quote. AWESOME. Had not heard that. As to learn it by "feeling it". There are those who definitely learn that way. I. M. H. Edumacated O. there are about 7 distinct learning styles and feeling it is but one of them. Again much thanx for that quote. Love it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:52 PM   #411
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UNBELIEVABLE....... This thread is still going on...and on.....and on some more. GEEZ LOUISE.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:21 PM   #412
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how fast

What speed was it that countersteering kicked in?



Oh yeah ZERO

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Old 03-28-2013, 06:42 PM   #413
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I forgot, should I countersteer on my Ural ?

How often do I have to replace the counter steering fluid ?














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Old 03-28-2013, 06:45 PM   #414
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How often do I have to replace the counter steering fluid ?














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Four times as often as I have to on my Yamaha
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:22 PM   #415
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Physics always kick in just past walking speed!!!!!
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:18 AM   #416
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Damn I'm sorry I started this!! Can I maybe end it by simplifying my question???

IF there is some hazard in front of me - should I simply 'steer' the way I have been all along as described in my intitial post or should I make a DELIBERATE push the opposite way I need to go?

IE - should I rely on instinct/expereince or try to deliberatly 'force' the handlebars???
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:49 AM   #417
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It will or is already ingrained into your brains. My emergency response to an obstacle that needs to be swerved around is a strong countersteer and I do not even have to think about it.

I've even only had one hand on the bars before and pulled the right grip towards me to swerve left and it was all instantaneous with no conscious thought.
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:28 AM   #418
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Damn I'm sorry I started this!! Can I maybe end it by simplifying my question???

IF there is some hazard in front of me - should I simply 'steer' the way I have been all along as described in my intitial post or should I make a DELIBERATE push the opposite way I need to go?

IE - should I rely on instinct/expereince or try to deliberatly 'force' the handlebars???
No need to "force" anything, only very lightly push the side of the handlebars where you want to go to (push right to go right, push left to go left). I've uploaded this video for you (below), practice it every time you go on a ride and after a few times it will become an instinctive move.

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Old 03-29-2013, 12:43 PM   #419
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Damn I'm sorry I started this!! Can I maybe end it by simplifying my question???

IF there is some hazard in front of me - should I simply 'steer' the way I have been all along as described in my intitial post or should I make a DELIBERATE push the opposite way I need to go?

IE - should I rely on instinct/expereince or try to deliberatly 'force' the handlebars???

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Old 03-29-2013, 01:03 PM   #420
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countersteer

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This is not to be until Tuesday.

You are already countersteering if you are turning a bike or motorcycle. (they do not turn otherwise)

It is nice to know the mechanics of it however... And to practice those mechanics.

Look Left Push left Go Left
Look Right Push Right Go Right
Look through the turn. Look through the turn. LOOK THROUGH THE TURN.


The end.
This person nailed. Push left, go left, push right, go right and look through the turn!!!!!!!! Just go to an empty parking lot ride at a fast walk and push the bars right and left and you will see what happens. simple. Really.
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