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Old 03-29-2013, 08:08 AM   #14341
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Once again demonstrating what we always say - stay the hell away from narcos and dope and you'll be fine.
It seems our work here is done. Apparently (surprisingly) American tourism is up despite the reports of violence.

That makes it official. If you stay away from Mexico due to the perceived threat, you need to go and buy yourself a set of big boy (or girl) underwear. Your courageous fellow citizens will be sending you postcards from Mazatlán full of questions about the size of your gentleman's parts.


Mexican Drug Murders May Never Be Bad Enough to Deter Tourists

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...tourism/63660/
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:14 AM   #14342
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Very bad, very sad but a file photo attributed to "stringer, Reuters" with no further attribution or date, place and time is stretching credibility a bit... where is the story that goes with the photo... every picture tells a story but this story is very incomplete. I would like to know more about this incident, why all the victims were bandaged in this way, who the people in the background are, where are the CSI babes and dudes with the rubber gloves, where are all of the soldiers and Policia Federal who seem to populate even the smallest crime scene here. Where did this picture come from? Other than an astounding 14K plus posts on this website what is the poster's cred. What is the motivation for the post? Without "redeeming social value" (Supreme court of the United States definition) this is just "murder porn" Please give this some context. Thank you for your time.
RMO, As previously stated this has been all over international news sources. Really ?, you didn't know about it ? The victims were reported to be window washers and farm workers. This was in Uruapan earlier this week.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/27/world/...html?hpt=hp_t5

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Old 03-29-2013, 08:31 AM   #14343
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I posted this pic but thought about it and decided to just link it. I am sure those that love riding and living in mexico will disagree but Mexico is a dangerous place.
When you've seen more than 30 corpses dumped in front of a shopping mall less than a kilometer from your home, that picture rates a yawn. You are sitting in another country trying to tell me something about where I live and where I ride.

From your picture one can safely assume that Mexico is a dangerous place to be a drug cartel criminal.

If you want to see a real mess, take a good hard look at a country that is fighting a war on drugs while some of its own member states are trying to legalize drugs.

Those guys in the chairs died trying to keep the shelves stocked for the country that is the world's largest consumer of illegal drugs.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:44 AM   #14344
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In about a month I will be crossing back into the US headed for Carlsbad, CA and then North to LA. I will be riding up the Baja and it looks like I have the option of crossing at TJ or Tecate. Any suggestions, cautions and outright warnings would be most appreciated. Because of my impaired left knee I do not plan to be doing anything very challenging, pavement. It looks like I have the option just north of Ensenada to take the 1 to TJ or the 3 to Tecate. Clearly I would want to choose the least hassle re-entry point where I can close out the TVIP and begin the journey home.

Thanks,

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Hi David,

I'd cross at Tecate. IMHO it is faster and simpler than TJ. Remember to lane split to the front of the line when crossing in Tecate.

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Old 03-29-2013, 09:25 AM   #14345
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The victims were reported to be window washers and farm workers.

Which most of us would agree is usually code for lookouts and growers.

Being a narco is a hard life. I am very sympathetic to the kids that have few other career prospects. But for someone lurking and reading this thread a riding tourist would have to be very, VERY unlucky to get caught up with these people unless you happened to be doing a dope buy at the same time a hit goes down.

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Old 03-29-2013, 09:49 AM   #14346
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Agreed. I lived there 2 summers ago for 5 months.
Awesome town for culture and there is a ton of dirt riding to the east in the mtns. One was called the Royal Road and was dated back to the Spanish silver supply chain. The restaurant above the bridge in town is great and cheap. You'll see people up there as you walk under.
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to start a ride report soon and I'm thinking about calling it "Por Lo Menos Dos". At least two. Based on some things Trice said...I'd like to take my son through Mexico, but really take some time to see some stuff. Like Real de Catorce en caballo. But I thought of spending at least two days in an area. The last time I went down we made it all the way to belize and guatemala. A blast and Guatemala was my favorite part...but this time I'd like to spend at least two days in each place. If a place is good enough to go to...why not drop the paniers and strap on a backpack and just go explore for an extra day. So I've been planing some first days and then the extra days. One is Real de Catorce. Another is Leon. My brother's inlaws live there. If we drop the paniers...the next day we explore all the roads around Dolores Hidalgo, San Miguel de Allende and Guanajuato. Then on towards the south...wherever that might lead us.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:53 AM   #14347
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Hi David,

I'd cross at Tecate. IMHO it is faster and simpler than TJ. Remember to lane split to the front of the line when crossing in Tecate.

Enjoy,

Steve
Did this two weeks ago at Tecate. Total crossing time, from line entry to freedom?

About 12-15 minutes. Super easy, all friendly, including the guys with the guns.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:28 AM   #14348
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Then on towards the south...wherever that might lead us.
If you haven't ridden the Veracruz/Puebla border, please allow me to introduce you sometime.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:36 AM   #14349
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I think some are confusing the term chilango with the term fresa. Not the same thing, though sometimes they can be.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:39 AM   #14350
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Did this two weeks ago at Tecate. Total crossing time, from line entry to freedom?

About 12-15 minutes. Super easy, all friendly, including the guys with the guns.
Last time I crossed you could not turn in aTVIP in Tecate. Has this changed in the last year?
I turned mine in at Mexicali, then rode hwy 3 over to Tecate and crossed back into the US there.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:58 AM   #14351
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:02 AM   #14352
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oops. meant to link the article. I know, it is safe, not to worry.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/27/world/...exico-violence
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Very bad, very sad but a file photo attributed to "stringer, Reuters" with no further attribution or date, place and time is stretching credibility a bit... where is the story that goes with the photo... every picture tells a story but this story is very incomplete. I would like to know more about this incident, why all the victims were bandaged in this way, who the people in the background are, where are the CSI babes and dudes with the rubber gloves, where are all of the soldiers and Policia Federal who seem to populate even the smallest crime scene here. Where did this picture come from? Other than an astounding 14K plus posts on this website what is the poster's cred. What is the motivation for the post? Without "redeeming social value" (Supreme court of the United States definition) this is just "murder porn" Please give this some context. Thank you for your time.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:15 AM   #14353
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It looks like the photo of the 7 young men murdered in Uruapan last Saturday morning and then propped up on chairs at a glorieta on Lazaro Cardenas. There were ice picks stuck in their chests with warnings from a narco group. I was staying at a hotel on the plaza a few blocks away when the bodies were found.
What a coincidence I was there too, but didn't heard or see anything

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I was told that the only reason you didn't end up like them .. Was, because they ran out of chairs

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Old 03-29-2013, 11:15 AM   #14354
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Nop I didn't I wish anyway want to go back maybe Arte could make arrgments for a tour
Made it to Uruapn staying at Hotel Plaza Had never been in Michoacan likening it a lot ran into Salma's cousin in Guadalajara the othe day.,She was with a pendejo check her out


BTW Foot powder bottle exploded inside my bag glad there were no military check points

Next time we can go specifically to do the ride I've not been able to complete. Ride from Concha to Mazapil keep riding to get to Pico de Teyra, keep going along the state divisory line and get to Juan Aldama and from there ride to Sierra de Organos to camp overnight, next day visit my born place: Sombrerete and start the Archeological sites ride to end up in Zac.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:23 AM   #14355
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I've enjoyed following this thread since I plan on a lengthy time in Mexico beginning in October.

Interesting enough, I had a conversation with a friend who holds dual citizenship in Mexico and The States. She has a very large family in MX and is very much afraid to go visit them, and because we are friends, is very concerned about my safety.

Her biggest concern is being caught in some sort of crossfire between the bad guys and the so called good guys. She believes Mexico's structure is so decayed that there is really no place "safe," especially if one is in need of help.

Different viewpoints from people of varying experience living or traveling in Mexico.

Cheers,
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