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Old 03-29-2013, 06:20 AM   #29281
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I don't think anyone is showing off. It's simply personal preference. Purchase what you like and can afford.

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Old 03-29-2013, 06:28 AM   #29282
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I saw that Kimber Solo at a shop. It really felt great in my hand. I'd love to be able to shoot one.
What I think is funny is that you couldn't even find one last year. Most gun stores were selling their pre-orders over a year after release.

Now the apocalypse has come, and I've seen these sitting in the cases at several Kimber dealers. Guess they are the wrong color.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:52 AM   #29283
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The I LOVE THIS GUN Thread

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If I give you my wife's e-mail address, would you send her that note? C'mon, help and ADV buddy out.

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Old 03-29-2013, 08:43 AM   #29284
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"Now, that being said, operate it within the manufacturers recommendations. If you've handled one of these, look at the chamber clearance when the slide is locked to the rear. It is the tightest I've ever seen on a pistol. This thing was meant to shoot heavy high performance ammo with consistent pressures. Throw range ammo in it, and it will get pissed off. I still don't understand why guys buy $900 handguns for self defense and practice with $9 a box steel cased ammo. "

For some reason, the quote feature failed with this comment, so I've just cut and pastad here....

Interesting point. It's sort of like buying a car for Premium fuel only I guess. Premium SD rounds go for about $30 for 25 rounds in .40 around here, which is still about 2.5 times what practice ammo cost at around $25 for 50.

I guess I'm too new at the ammo game to understand these critical differences when it comes to the operation - I guess that the recoil springs and spacing demand the extra pressure?

However, I do get the point about steel cased ammo - the only stuff I every had problems with was...wait for it...steel cased. Won't buy that for my automatic pistols ever again. Well, scratch that, if it's the ONLY ammo in the world....

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Old 03-29-2013, 08:45 AM   #29285
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So one is to show off? I have friends that have high dollar 1911s, I out shot them all with escort...

Face it you have an Ed Brown so you can say "I have an Ed Brown"
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:14 AM   #29286
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I guess I'm too new at the ammo game to understand these critical differences when it comes to the operation - I guess that the recoil springs and spacing demand the extra pressure?
Precisely. A wise man once told me that the smaller a hangun gets, the closer it gets to not working. On some level, that is correct.

Small semi-autos have traditionally been chambered in .25 acp and .380 auto. The small frames could handle the pressures of these bullets without any sort of crazy engineering.

However, today people are demanding 9mm and .40 pocket pistols. To functionally achieve this, you need something with tight tolerances, good fit, form, and heavy springs. Suddenly, consistent pressures become crucial. Range ammo is cheap for a reason. Self-defense ammo is expensive for a reason.

I'm not saying that I shoot self-defense ammo every time I go to the range. Far from it. However, if I'm going to stake my life on a gun, I'm going to run some through it regularly.

My rule of thumb for the Kimber is simple. I buy a box of 20rds. That feeds an 8rd mag, a 6rd mag, and one in the chamber, leaving me five rounds in the box. Those five remaining rounds get shot first. If they work well, the remaining 15 rounds get loaded. After about two months, those 15 rds get shot off, along with the first 5 rounds of the box that is replacing them.

I carry when I run, ride, drive, and everywhere in between. Ammo doesn't keep forever, so I don't like to keep it in my carry gun for long periods of time. The cycle ensures I have safe, functioning ammo, while keeping me in practice with what I depend on instead of what is cheapest at the store.
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:06 PM   #29287
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Now, that being said, operate it within the manufacturers recommendations. If you've handled one of these, look at the chamber clearance when the slide is locked to the rear. It is the tightest I've ever seen on a pistol. This thing was meant to shoot heavy high performance ammo with consistent pressures. Throw range ammo in it, and it will get pissed off. I still don't understand why guys buy $900 handguns for self defense and practice with $9 a box steel cased ammo.[/QUOTE]


Its the same on my Beretta Nano. The overall geometry of the action is much less forgiving of variables than on a duty sized pistol. All of my practice and competition ammo (my reloads) are loaded to full SAAMI specs- just like most defensive ammo and chamber checked to minumum chamber specs.
The key to using a small handgun effectively is to practice A LOT. Smal grip + small sights + short sighting radius = hard to hit at distance. Add in a relatively small magazine and every shot counts. Too many people buy the gun and a couple of boxes of ammo, shoot one box of ammo in a nice range environment, load from the second box and call it done. Break in and reliability concerns aside; don't stake your life on a pistol you don't know how to shoot.
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:12 PM   #29288
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Arcus 9mm

I just picked this up for my daughter last weekend and since they had the day off of school i took her to the range to try it out.

(sorry for the crappy cell pic)


I got a decent deal on it and cleaned it up and oiled it and from the reviews on it was hoping for the best. All i can say is i'm very impressed with this "little" pistol for the price. I can't say that it shoots/groups any better or worse than my original Browning HP i use to have (it's a clone made in Bulgaria), but i have to say it's a very nice shooter, especially for an 11rd olds first 'real gun' (she told me she didn't want a 22 pistol, it's not a real gun )

Anyway, here is the first group with it at 15' (had 10 rds in the 13 capacity mag)


I would highly recommend it for the price... (i paid 260 for it).
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:20 PM   #29289
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I bought a Kimber Solo for my wife to carry but she did not like the kick ( so now its mine).
So far no miss-fires and it is extremly accurate for such a small gun.
Love the trigger on it too
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:34 PM   #29290
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I bought a Kimber Solo for my wife to carry but she did not like the kick ( so now its mine).
So far no miss-fires and it is extremly accurate for such a small gun.
Love the trigger on it too
My wife LOVED shooting it, but she couldn't rack the slide. All the better, as it saved me from buying a second Solo for her.

Now she carries a Nano. That saved me some money.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:02 PM   #29291
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Now, that being said, operate it within the manufacturers recommendations. I still don't understand why guys buy $900 handguns for self defense and practice with $9 a box steel cased ammo.
Red flag. Blaming the ammo.
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Red flag. Blaming the ammo.
So you're saying that all ammo is created equally?
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:47 PM   #29293
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Had posted awhile back about always wanting a Winchester model 21 but they are out of my price range. Someone mentioned about Connecticut Shotgun Company still making them along with other doubles. Picked up a RBL in a 12 ga like the 1st pick below. Having gotten into sporting clays as of late, I didn't want to wear it out 100 rounds at a time and picked up the Winchester in the bottom picture. I could have a collection of doubles if funds allowed.





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Old 03-30-2013, 07:15 PM   #29294
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:09 PM   #29295
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Shot the two .40's today side by side.

Using some locally mfg ammo, I had several fail to fires with the FNS-40. Hopefully it was simply a grungy firing pin - I might not have gotten all the grease out when I first got it. I've given it an agressive cleaning to see if that clears it up, plus next time I'll have better ammo.

But firing the FNS-40 against the PX4 Storm [both same size barrels, etc.] was interesting. The FN almost seems to stick to your hands, the texture of the grip is so aggressive - the PX4 seems almost slippery by comparison.

The two have different recoils - the FN is a pretty sharp snap, to my hands the Storm is smoother and the muzzle does not try to rise quite so much. The difference does not seem to be enough to make much difference in getting back to target.

Storm being an external hammer is a DA/SA and when fired with a cocked hammer has a nice easy trigger with a uniform pull once you are at the engagement. The FN has a longer and bit firmer pull but is still excellent.

I'm not sure I can pick a preference between these two - each of them are fine to shoot - they look quite different, although overall they are of quite similar physical size, carry the same ammo load.

The Storm has a decocker/safety, the FN a manual safety - both are easy to leave off, but the storm's levers are pretty huge ears on the slide - some might not like that in a carry weapon I guess. On the FN, you can leave it off and never even know it's there.

I would give the FN a slight advantage in cleaning due to the simpler locking mechanism - the rotating barrel design of the Storm has a few more complicated surfaces to be cleaned out and then relubed. Nothing that should bother a casual shooter - in a trench, it might be different.

Pricewise, they are within usually $50 on the street, the FN being slightly more expensive - however, it comes with Three magazines to the Storm's Two, and the FN's case is far superior to the Beretta case.

Both, by the way, have interchangable backstraps to let you customize the grip.



I also got to shoot my FN Five seveN for the second time. I was again impressed with it's smooth handling. Could not afford to run too much ammo, but it's got range and striking power.
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