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Old 03-28-2013, 04:37 PM   #91
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I've been looking for a 4wd as a second vehicle for a while. I'd use it on road trips, local in the mountains, off road or hauling stuff.

I like the Subaru Outbacks, but with high mileage they seem to have a lot of issues, head gaskets, wheel bearings, cv joints, timing belts and ? There are LCs out there for less than a 4runner and offer more off road, just wondering if I'm missing something besides a loss in mpg.

So I've been looking for something capable off road and doesn't require a lot of repairs and routine maintenance is manageable.

I'm looking at Land Cruisers from the mid-90s, probably over 150-230K. If one is found with that mileage that has been well maintained, is it usually a good bet that it will keep running well? Any years that are better to look at, features to get? I've been looking at 94, 96/97.

What are the major problem areas? What to look at when buying one?

If it needs service are the labor rates higher to work on an LC? Are the older ones ok to do some work on your own? I'd like something I can work on.

I'm also assuming the LC offers more cargo room than a 4runner or Subaru.

Thanks, Looking forward to the advice.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:41 PM   #92
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:14 PM   #93
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:35 PM   #94
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This "Free" TLC has been surprisingly expensive.
Currently tied up in DMV purgatory.
It ran real good but it was tweaked to pass smog. Now a hard starter .
Also the clutch pedal has to go the the floor to engage.

Starting to question the wisdom of the whole project

Sure is cool to drive though, 14MPG!
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:55 PM   #95
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I'm rather partial to mine....

1978 FJ-40 purchased by my father in 1993 and I learned to drive it that same year (13 yrs old). I bought it from my dad a few years back and added Chevy TBI, mini-truck PS, Vintage Air AC, Tacoma wheels, Tuffy console w/stereo, Bestop rollbar speakers and full Autometer gauges.

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Old 03-29-2013, 03:55 PM   #96
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It ran real good but it was tweaked to pass smog. Now a hard starter .
I'm not intimately familiar with LC's so I could be way off here. But my guess would be they most likely leaned out the idle. Meaning it is not getting the fuel it used to at idle for starting. Possibly the idle speed was adjusted as well.

Good luck hope that helps
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:10 PM   #97
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I'm not intimately familiar with LC's so I could be way off here. But my guess would be they most likely leaned out the idle. Meaning it is not getting the fuel it used to at idle for starting. Possibly the idle speed was adjusted as well.

Good luck hope that helps
If its a CA car (by the plate) even if the truck was brand new it would barely pass their emissions standards.

When my FJ40 failed emissions we moved to Northern Arizona and ripped the SMOG shit off. Then I did the TBI conversion and its never run better and the MPG improved.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:44 PM   #98
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PO never non op since 08. CA wants it titled, tagged and to pass CA smog before they will release it to Nevada! WTF? Broke ass commie state BS.
Oh and title was lost
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:12 PM   #99
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Check ignition timing. It's often fiddled with to pass smog.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:31 AM   #100
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I've been looking for a 4wd as a second vehicle for a while. I'd use it on road trips, local in the mountains, off road or hauling stuff.

I like the Subaru Outbacks, but with high mileage they seem to have a lot of issues, head gaskets, wheel bearings, cv joints, timing belts and ? There are LCs out there for less than a 4runner and offer more off road, just wondering if I'm missing something besides a loss in mpg.

So I've been looking for something capable off road and doesn't require a lot of repairs and routine maintenance is manageable.

I'm looking at Land Cruisers from the mid-90s, probably over 150-230K. If one is found with that mileage that has been well maintained, is it usually a good bet that it will keep running well? Any years that are better to look at, features to get? I've been looking at 94, 96/97.

What are the major problem areas? What to look at when buying one?

If it needs service are the labor rates higher to work on an LC? Are the older ones ok to do some work on your own? I'd like something I can work on.

I'm also assuming the LC offers more cargo room than a 4runner or Subaru.

Thanks, Looking forward to the advice.
My brother in law had one of those and just ate brakes and rotors, but he's hard on brakes and drove San Francisco a lot. Maybe check into a Trooper instead? I have a 2000 and it's never given us any problems even though it only has 104K on it. The fetch way less money than any LC's. I'll post up the one photo I have of my old FJ55 when I figure out my scanner.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:53 AM   #101
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:11 PM   #102
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I've been looking for a 4wd as a second vehicle for a while. I'd use it on road trips, local in the mountains, off road or hauling stuff.

So I've been looking for something capable off road and doesn't require a lot of repairs and routine maintenance is manageable.

I'm looking at Land Cruisers from the mid-90s, probably over 150-230K. If one is found with that mileage that has been well maintained, is it usually a good bet that it will keep running well?
If well maintained you should be good to go for a long time. Toyota engineered the LC 80 series for 25 years of service in sub-optimal conditions. Technically the engines are spec'ed to have top end overhauls at 300K KM - and can be freshened 2x over for 900K KM of service life. In reality the trucks in the US have not needed this work.

Here is a design overview of the 1FZ-FE engine found in the 94-97 Land Cruiser:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-te...s-article.html

The 1FZ-FE was sourced from Toyota Industries fork lift line. Those machines either idle or are near red line all of their life. The engine in a Land Cruiser is way overkill from a reliability standpoint.

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1995-1997 is preferred. These years had dual airbags and OBD2 which simplifies a lot of troubleshooting. The most coveted models have the Front and Rear locking differentials standard. These supposedly were in about 10% of US Trucks.

Here are the sales figures by year for the Land Cruiser in the late 90's.

1995.......14,208.......FZJ80
1996.......12,816.......FZJ80
1997.......11,502.......FZJ80

This would mean there were about 4,000 cruisers sold in the US with the lockers.

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These trucks are now approaching 16 years old at a minimum. The cooling system is the first thing that springs to mind. If these run hot or are not maintained they have a tendency to blow the HG. It is a long I6 with an aluminum head and iron block - so this can be a bit tricky. FWIW I just had my HG replaced as PM as I approached 175K Miles. This is probably over zealous but I didn't want to worry about it.

The front solid axle is also usually neglected. These should be serviced and renewed every 60K miles - but this can be stretched a bit. This can be a big messy job - and if neglected long enough you will need new Birfields.

Here is a good over view of the front axle and job:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-te...build-faq.html

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If it needs service are the labor rates higher to work on an LC?
Usually less in my experience. The premier shop for LC's in Atlanta is ACC Toyota. http://acctoyota.com

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Most owners at this point do a good bit of work themselves. These trucks lend themselves well to home maintenance. Huge engine bay, quality fasteners, straight forward jobs all around.

The thing about these trucks is that they were $45-55K when new in late 90s.They have depreciated but parts and labor have not. They have a relatively high cost of ownership if you want to keep it in good condition and maintained to spec. Here is a good thread on the topic of cost of ownership:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-te...ownership.html

I order all of my parts from a dealer in Georgia - Lowe Toyota. Great service, free shipping and good savings.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/vendor-marke...ost-items.html


I love the FZJ80 as a second vehicle specifically for road trips to the mountains and other out of the way places. There is something about a cruiser that can't be found in other SUVs in my opinion. I just rolled 177K and intend to have it until I am dead or we run out of dino juice.

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Old 03-31-2013, 04:56 PM   #103
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This one was mine. Best car i ever had. If you want to go places and come back this should be your choice.


From a 3 weeks desert safari to a snowy mountain



And back to the desert

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Old 03-31-2013, 06:18 PM   #104
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This one was mine. Best car i ever had. If you want to go places and come back this should be your choice.


From a 3 weeks desert safari to a snowy mountain



And back to the desert

I just saw one of these today on 280 north, but with what looked like an Alberta plate.
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:35 PM   #105
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