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Old 03-30-2013, 04:54 PM   #1
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small computer for Mapsource/basecamp

Once again I'm kicking myself for being computer illiterate.

I ride DS and offroad and currently utilize a 10.8" laptop w/4GB ram and 500 GB HD. I use the laptop for exploring potential routes on Google Earth and planning routes in the field on Mapsource. What I would like is a lot smaller laptop/netbook/tablet/smartphone to do the same job.

i checked the requirements for Mapsource and they say it needs a proper Windows based operating system (XP, 7, 8, etc.). Only issue is the smallest computer I can find that runs these operating systems are 10" . I'm not sure how long ago those tech specs were written by Garmin for Mapsource and am hoping there have been work arounds developed/utilized by folks that enable Mapsource or Basecamp to run on Atom or Android processors so I can utilize a smaller computer than 10'. So are there any options out there that would allow me to run Google Earth and Mapsource on a smaller computer, IE 7''? Are there other mapping programs that you can create routes, tracks, waypoints etc that are easy to work with?

I also have Samsung Galaxy S3 phone to utilize and have found a GE mobile app but not sure how to accomodate Mapsource?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:23 AM   #2
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I use an ASUS Notebook for BaseCamp and Mapsource. I got it about 3 years ago for ~$250. They may be more expensive now.

It is still a 10" size though. I look at one or two 6-7 inch models back then, but the reviews were pretty bad.

After having used this one for a few years, I don't think I would want a smaller screen. This one packs nicely and has proved rugged.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:51 AM   #3
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you're not gonna find much smaller and the PC has completely focused away from net books as tablets have taken oven. prior to tablets coming on the scene (the 1st Apple tablet) net books seemed to be getting better and better. people like the small portable format. then tablets appeared and they dropped like a brick.

i own one of the smallest, a Dell Mini 9", but it's still kind fat in the waist. it uses a no moving part solid state hard drive. i upgraded the drive to a larger & faster runcore model plus upgraded the memory. it works ok for it's intended use, mapsource use on the road.

the reality is there is no ultimate solution for this.
not sure if the guys who switched over to smartphones as GPS units are creating routes very well on the fly either?

in actual use for tours, i've been using our maps and creating daily routes at home and labeling then day1, day2 etc. and having them all loaded on my gps.

if we divert, it's back to the old method of consulting the maps and looking for road signs. my gps (60csx) picks up just fine in the middle of routes too (some do not) and all this works for me. i spend years using maps and hand-written day ride notes so i'm use to the old way if need be. If i'm lost, ive programed the end of the day spot in the GPS and it will get me there no matter what.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:44 PM   #4
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Tablets are indeed a nice option for something lightweight. However are they able to run mapsource/basecamp?

I'd also like to hear from others that have utilized other mapping programs that can run on smaller processors/smartphones etc. How viable are they in real life and what pro's and con's to them are there?

Eakin, I live and travel in countries that are not mapped completely for offroad (Lao excepted), therefore I'm on my own in that regard. So looking at satellite images can give me hints on where to look for tracks to explore that cross the jungles. On a sidenote I was going to ask you do the Butler maps have offroad tracks in them through Central America?
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:33 PM   #5
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I just picked up a Surface Pro. One of the objectives was to be able to handle mapsource/basecamp while on extended tour.

Have not downloaded basecamp yet..................after my years and pain with Mapsource just not quite ready to switch apps yet but I will.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:35 AM   #6
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I just picked up a Surface Pro. One of the objectives was to be able to handle mapsource/basecamp while on extended tour.

Have not downloaded basecamp yet..................after my years and pain with Mapsource just not quite ready to switch apps yet but I will.
Be prepared for a little culture shock with BaseCamp. I have it and do use it when I need a couple of features Mapsource doesn't have, but for serious planning work I use Mapsource.

One very useful feature of Basecamp is that it shows minor roads at larger zoom levels than MS.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:13 AM   #7
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I've been using an Acer Aspire one for.........hell I can't even remember now. Probably the last 5 years at the very least. It's my on-road laptop for the purpose of checking on the forums and mapping my route as I go. Still ticking today. I usually just drop it in my top case between my liner and other cold weather gear.

I would like to switch over to my iPhone for all GPS duties but can't find a way to reliably load my own routes into the various apps. So I still use my Zumo.

Not sure if you are going to find anything smaller than 10 inches. Even most of the Tablet PCs that you you would have to use to run basecamp are in the 7 to 10 inch range.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:12 AM   #8
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As others have said 10" is the smallest that runs the OS you need for Mapsource/Basecamp.
I have an Acer Aspire One with the Solid State Drive (upgraded to 32GB from 8GB). It has an 8.9" screen with a wide bezel so it's the same size as most 10" screen netbooks. Smaller than that would be painful to really do much with.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:48 AM   #9
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As others have said 10" is the smallest that runs the OS you need for Mapsource/Basecamp.
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Rats. Was hoping technology had developed a little further. Time to take a gander and see if there are any other mapping programs utilied on the the Smartphones that are halfway decent. I have GPS's but just would like something for my creating routes and tracks thats small and tucks away in my gear a bit easier than my 10' laptop.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:13 PM   #10
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I'm a bit of a map freak and for me, the best gpses can't beat tablets and/or smartphones. I used GpsKit on a phone. It has most features of a "normal" gps and many more. I used an iphone 4s for the last 2 years travelling in SE asia and crossing South america. The Ram Mount xGrip for the handlebars ROCKS; I meant to get a waterproof case but couldn't find one that I liked and didn't. I recommend one though.

So yeah, gpskit. It can do mostly everything a high end gps can: it can easily import tracks; has about 10 maps sources available and you can add more (google maps, bing, open street maps, satellite, height maps, etc); they are cacheable (for offline), downloadable (you select an area or road and it downloads it), you can publish your realtime track on any old gsm data connection, not even 3g required, great dashboard with ALL the data you will ever need to see in a trip. It makes graphs of your ride (plotting your speed, altitude, etc); when not in motion, the heading of the map uses the internal accelerometer to point where the handlebars are pointing (hard to explain but great in real life); if you have friends with the same app you can see in (almost) real-time where they are. But to me, the multiple maps thing is the best. No maps provider has good maps for ANY location. But with this one, you have A LOT more options, so chances are much higher to find a good map. AND satellite images for the places where there are NO maps.

I think on an ipad mini would be perfect, if you can find a waterproof case for it, and it doesn't look silly, ipad mini on bike thing, heh. I think there's an xGrip for it too.

Oh and a major drawback: you cannot plot routes directly "on it" :) Basically you have to import a route, or just lay as many waypoints on it as you want, and follow them. Somehow it was never a big issue to me. If I have a great map and an arrow on the screen that is me, and a destination, I don't really need a route. I keep it pretty zoomed out, and I can still see A LOT of detail, the Retina display of the iphone/ipadmini is orders of magnitude more detailed than that of a normal gps.

But yeah, have a go at it if you want.
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:09 PM   #11
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There are a few tablets (8" and up) out now that run Windoze 8 (8.1). Add a bluetooth mouse and Bob's your Uncle. Run BaseCamp and/or Mapsource.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:51 PM   #12
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Been using an Asus X202E for 6 months or so and it's light years ahead of my old Dell. 11" screen, Win8, touch screen and I snagged it for under $400. Might upgrade to a SSD this coming year. Basecamp runs great on it.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414658,00.asp
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Old 12-15-2013, 12:29 AM   #13
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Is there anything else than a Macbook Air 11"? Now that BaseCamp runs better on OSX than windows the choice is easy.
Count in that you wont need antivirus, antiphising etc etc and that it will last much longer than any plastic cheap pc.
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Is there anything else than a Macbook Air 11"? Now that BaseCamp runs better on OSX than windows the choice is easy.
Count in that you wont need antivirus, antiphising etc etc and that it will last much longer than any plastic cheap pc.
Word on that. A Mac Book Air 11 was my #1 choice. Think you could buy a basic refurbished one from Apple for around $800+. At the time it was too many beans for me hence the Asus.

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Old 12-15-2013, 07:19 AM   #15
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As others have said 10" is the smallest that runs the OS you need for Mapsource/Basecamp.

Nope:

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