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Old 04-07-2013, 11:45 AM   #16771
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+1 Jayrod, I luv it so much that I've 'filed' your photo of the numbers. Will order a set before they tell me "Ooh, no, too old, not available anymore".
Very useful Jayrod! Thanks!
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:25 PM   #16772
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You're describing 'disengage', not engage. Stiction, normal.

It's free to inspect the clutch on an XRR, no gaskets or other parts needed, don't even have to dump the oil. Go tear it down and check it out, it takes less than 5 minutes.

Thank you , and I know I have before, just wanted too see if there was really even reason to first. I had gotten a little bit of conflicting information on the subject but youre right its almost as easy as typing this to open it so i might aswell.
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Old 04-07-2013, 01:19 PM   #16773
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The idea that clutch use adds wear and tear is bullshit, complete bullshit. And encouraging people to not use a clutch, because some think this is what racers do is also bullshit.

Easy on the roids Cryp nobody is trying to encourage anyone on clutch usage. You made the asinine statement that apparently those of us that choose to ride a different way then u must either not ride enough or are misinformed somehow. Maybe spend 2 minutes doing a Google search on shifting a dirt bike without using the clutch and see what you come up with, ie some do some don't just like here
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:48 PM   #16774
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Really, a 15k mile ride where the goal is to not use the clutch? Interesting objective.

And since you are opposed to feathering the clutch in sandy washes, I assume you start out with a hundred yards of trenching in 1st and 2nd gears? That's neat.
I'm not opposed to feathering the clutch when needed, happens allot more than just sandy washes.

Well I rode about 200 miles of single track and washes this weekend with a few friends. Included in the bunch is Jack Johnson, Scott Harden, Larry Ragland, and others.

Hardly what I'm referring to, take a look at SX racing, full throttle shifts with a quick let off of the throttle and no clutch, common practice and a tranny failure is extremly rare. The XXR tranny is fundamentally the same design as are most modern dirtbikes, how often do you hear of an XRR transmission failing? Very rare.

I counted 5 times where I shifted without a clutch. Not because I wanted to, but because I had to.

That cool, no one is telling you not to use your clutch.

I couldn't find anyone who admits to not using the clutch or even trying to avoid clutch use.
When talking to Max Switzer (Multiple Baja 500/1000 and Mint 400 wins) he started talking about his 250x with a recluse and how it only takes quick let off on the throttle to shift. Then someone mentions that you can do this without a recluse, and the response was "yeh, but..."

And that is why a couple quarts of oil only lasts 600 miles and why the spec such frequent oil changes.

The goal isn't to avoid using the clutch, the goal is to keep the engine and tranny revs matched during a shift, which can be difficult at times and why we have clutches. If you are matching engine/tranny speeds good enough to shift without a clutch, you will not cause any more wear and tear by using the clutch because there is not much slippage between the plates. It is no more harmful than pulling the clutch on a bike that is parked in the garage.

Yup, it's pretty easy to match up the RPMs for a smooth clutchless shift, no harder on the motor than using the clutch.

The idea that clutch use adds wear and tear is bullshit, complete bullshit. And encouraging people to not use a clutch, because some think this is what racers do is also bullshit.

Goes to the point that the tranny will handle it, not because that's what a racer does.
Crypto, I'm not telling anyone not to use their clutch, totally up to the owner. My point was it's often not used and it's not detrimental to the gearbox when done correctly. Clutch slippage is harder on the oil, will it ruin the motor? Obviously not.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:59 PM   #16775
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I know what you mean about being on a budget. I need a stator but just bought my bike so the toy-fund is dry... I have to plug the battery it has into a charger every couple days to keep the signals, tail and brake light and horn working. The head light is kinda scary at night too. I'd also like to put new jets and seals in the carb, it has a few issues...Just thought the tach is a good way to sort out your gearing
Haha, well I think I'll find out for sure when the speedo gets here. I've found a couple of chrome analog tachs that wire to a coil. I'm going to look into those. I KNOW this bike isn't running to it's potential, and I think the air filter + jetting will fix it. I know I'm not lucky enough to put the air filter in, and it run perfectly That BD analong speedo will bolt onto one side of the two holes there for the factory odometer, it'd be real nice to find an identical tach to bolt on the other side in the other factory hole.

After I get this stuff on it, and rejet it, I'm going to change the oil and start riding it to work every day. I can't wait. Also my budget is about gone, so riding it to work will make that day go easier when I see my bike outside and realize that on my next paycheck I can buy more junk for it!
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:04 PM   #16776
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change your fork oil

I changed my fork oil last night.

It was low for some reason ( no leaky seals) and it stank like the oil trap at the grease monkey.

Little black snotty stuff came out too.

The action and feel are SOOO much better. I can't wait to do some rough stuff!
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:06 PM   #16777
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Very useful Jayrod! Thanks!

No problem!
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:39 PM   #16778
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I changed my fork oil last night.

It was low for some reason ( no leaky seals) and it stank like the oil trap at the grease monkey.

Little black snotty stuff came out too.

The action and feel are SOOO much better. I can't wait to do some rough stuff!
stock oil ?? whale snot
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:46 PM   #16779
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Got an oil analysis done. bike has 3,000 miles on it. oil is shell rotella 15w-40.

Oil has 950 miles on it.

Bike has been well taken care of its whole life.

Not quite sure about the wear metals in this sample.

Humm an oil analysts led to the clutch conversation /argument
people are only speculating on the iron coming from the steel plates of the clutch there a few other sources I can think of
I looked at the oil analysis and wondered where the copper came from?
Oil is cheap change it often

On clutch use I aint gona stop abusing mine when I need to (its got great action)
Honda made it easy to access for a reason.
Clutch use is a learned skill, if you are riding competitively it can make big difference (On starts, brake turning into corners riding a gear high out of corners speed shifting , rough rocky sections ect
I love my clutch.
I am skeptical if a recluse could withstand the 650r power and same riding technique?
Bad thing is the 650r clutch will let you know fairly quick if your overheating it (its kinda weak) by the play at the lever, once you feel the extra play you better adjust your technique or slow down.
Now get out and abuse your clutch and have some fun.
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Old 04-08-2013, 03:35 AM   #16780
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...Now get out and abuse your clutch and have some fun.
Oki doki

Piggy & I are ready, soon ... really soon, all the snow & ice are gone in the woods.

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Old 04-08-2013, 08:26 AM   #16781
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The Trx 250 parts were ordered. Part #'s 16955-HA2-005 4 hole gasket. and part# 16963-HB9-005 x-ring.


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If you can't source the above replacement petcock gasket, then another good Honda part number for the XR650R petcock gasket is:
16955-268-020.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:46 AM   #16782
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I changed my fork oil last night.

It was low for some reason ( no leaky seals) and it stank like the oil trap at the grease monkey.

Little black snotty stuff came out too.

The action and feel are SOOO much better. I can't wait to do some rough stuff!
Some guys tweak the front suspension by increasing/decreasing the air chamber (oil level) in the forks (less=a little plusher/more=bottoming resistance) It's usally 10 ~ 20mm ether side of the factory level, I don't think you'd detect that when draining though, it's a small amount, I usally manage to spill more than that on the floor when doing the forks
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:20 AM   #16783
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Since everyone is talking about clutches I may as well address a problem im having, don't kill me its been addressed before. So when i have my bike off in first gear if i pull in the clutch it wont roll without resistance from the engine(clutch wont wont fully disengage*thanks larryboy).......
....... I really dont think its the adjustment ive adjusted it to about every positon it can be, and sorry for the lack of being able to think for myself, i'd say its probably the springs and plates but id rather hear it from you guys


AHA!
Signs of wear - which means you used it didn't you?
No beating around the bush here mate, told you so!
Self inflicted injuries. Go replace the whole caboodle and see who's smiling then!








I also use the clutch, often in fact, but not always.
But, those advertising the non-use simply because the oil lives longer then simply cannot be serious, "tight" ain't the word...
Fwiw, I change my oil even more regularly then what the manual prescribes, worse, I put real good stuff in actually. Why? I lurve this thing, it's the best bike I've owned and I intend on keeping it in the best nick I can - which also means I'll look after the gearbox. Oil & plates, even the basket to an extent are consumables, like it or not.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:30 AM   #16784
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ride4fun562,

ever been on a speedboat? With full whack you pull away, however it goes somewhat sluggish.... until it starts planing, when it climbs on top of the water rather than in the water.
You'll recognize this no doubt.
Your clutch is the same. With little speed differential there's loadsa friction, but when the speed increases there's less, so all quite normal I'd say.
But open it up to make sure, there's nothing wrong with a bit of screwing
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:47 PM   #16785
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The Trx 250 parts were ordered. Part #'s 16955-HA2-005 4 hole gasket. and part# 16963-HB9-005 x-ring.


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If you can't source the above replacement petcock gasket, then another good Honda part number for the XR650R petcock gasket is:
16955-268-020.
Very nice, that number has a lot more cross reference and is cheaper.

I wonder though if it is thicker or thinner or if the O.D. is different.

Even if the that 4 hole gasket is smaller OD it still works because its a face seal.

Your part number is 20mm dia.

The trx part number is just a hair under 22mm or about 21.78mm
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