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Old 04-10-2013, 08:51 PM   #241
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Start List (checkpoints display) is up now - Sam 1st.
Bikes are moving to the Start gate.
Yep, so they knock him down and then kick him when he is on the floor.

On all previous days riders penalties have affected the stage positions - but not this time!?
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:01 PM   #242
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Speedy - 2 places behind Coma on the stage and 42 sec behind overall - Speedy "wins" then.

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Old 04-10-2013, 09:56 PM   #243
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Well he has kept and extended his lead at PC 1 which is astounding considering that Coma and Speedy are fighting for the win behind him - this can't be ignored
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I know full well that this is the nature of rally racing and it's been this way forever, but this example of "tactics" of who starts where and everybody just catching up to the front runner and shadowing him is really ticking me off this time around.

This really takes away from the "racing" that is supposed to be going on. I love the navigational aspects of these races but this follow the leader crap really needs to stop. Five days of racing and the overall results is going to come down to a couple of minutes.

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Old 04-10-2013, 10:08 PM   #245
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I know full well that this is the nature of rally racing and it's been this way forever, but this example of "tactics" of who starts where and everybody just catching up to the front runner and shadowing him is really ticking me off this time around.

This really takes away from the "racing" that is supposed to be going on. I love the navigational aspects of these races but this follow the leader crap really needs to stop. Five days of racing and the overall results is going to come down to a couple of minutes.

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Old 04-10-2013, 10:21 PM   #246
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Sam and Coma out front - is Sam to Help Coma for the win, although if he want's it he has to stop Speedy closing the gap, so he has to push it also!
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Well it has proved one thing for sure, Sam can navigate and ride fast at the same time, all those hours of road book making and practice has sure paid off
No doubt!
Edit: PC2 coming up momentarily, I think.
Edit2: Well, apparently not.
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Sam and Coma are definitely riding together as they arrived 16 seconds apart at CP 2.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:49 PM   #249
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Sam and Coma are definitely riding together as they show only 45 seconds apart at CP 2.
And Speedy closing, so very much looks like that is where it is going?

Sam just needs to hold PAU off for his podium - he should do it!
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Is it just my imagination or is this an unusually long refueling stop?
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Not that I was rooting for him, but really… Speedy loses a five day race by 32 seconds. WTF!
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Sam holds on for the last step of the podium. Excellent job!
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:44 AM   #253
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Consolation prize but hey, it is his first podium, hopefully the first of many and he has finished safe and sound, tomorrow is another day
He should be well proud of himself. His intense prep proved that he is healthy, his pace proved he has the speed, and his navigation proved he has the smarts. He found himself on the wrong end of the rules this time, but in the long run, it comes back because on some stage in the future, a similarly minor rule will work to his advantage.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:47 AM   #254
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He should be well proud of himself. His intense prep proved that he is healthy, his pace proved he has the speed, and his navigation proved he has the smarts. He found himself on the wrong end of the rules this time, but in the long run, it comes back because on some stage in the future, a similarly minor rule will work to his advantage.
The rumour from the bivouac was that it was the KTM team who reported him later in the day - Bastards!, if it is true, nothing less !

On his race today he held off all except for Coma and is the race time winner by 1.47:

Apologies KTM it wasn't true - it was the other lot!

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Old 04-11-2013, 12:59 AM   #255
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The rumour from the bivouac was that it was the KTM team who reported him later in the day - Bastards!, if it is true, nothing less !
On this level of racing, all's fair unfortunately. And staffing a team to keep an eye out for other's infractions of rules is sadly a big part of the game. When KTM (or place any other manufacturer) have invested such a substantial amount of effort & money into their rally program, it's to be expected that they keep a sharp eye out for anything that can give them the advantage.

Heck, they even protested between their top riders (remember Cyril's gloves, Marc's rear tyre, etc)

I would expect no less from HRC, if they are trully serious about their rally effort. Naive just doesn't cut it at World Championship levels.

That said, and regardless of the official results, I think most of us consider Sam the winner of this round
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