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Old 04-11-2013, 11:12 PM   #7441
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In my cage I've been playing with these options, and it seems to me that when navigating a Track (e.g. GoTo->Track), the "trip computer" calculations (like distance (or time) to destination) work quite differently than when navigating a Route.

This is not a complaint but just asking for confirmation or suggestions, but what I've seen for example are things like:

When navigating a Track:
- The "Time to Destination" starts to increase quickly when you stop for awhile, different than a Route does.
- If you get off of the Track then the "Distance to Destination" can do all kinds of crazy things and give pretty large numbers (kind of gets lost as it is not trying to calculate any new route).

Seems ok just not as clean as Routes in this regard. Point is I wonder if it still is not best to just do both: View a Track, and Navigate a Route at the same time... The Track is to be trusted and the Route is to just give you the best Trip data (just ignore the announced turns, etc).
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Old 04-12-2013, 05:46 AM   #7442
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Just saw this update myself...I don't think I've ever seen a Garmin Dev Team respond that fast.


Changes from version 4.80 to version 4.90:
  • Fixed issue with a data field in nuvi mode while navigating with the device in landscape orientation.
  • Fixed issue with overlapping text when reviewing certain geocaches.

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Old 04-12-2013, 07:09 AM   #7443
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WTB Montana 600

Probably a longshot, but anyone with a Montana 600 they'd be willing to sell? My 60csx broke and I am having a hard time swinging a brand new Montana........

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Old 04-12-2013, 08:06 AM   #7444
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Probably a longshot, but anyone with a Montana 600 they'd be willing to sell? My 60csx broke and I am having a hard time swinging a brand new Montana........

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Old 04-12-2013, 09:26 AM   #7445
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Probably a longshot, but anyone with a Montana 600 they'd be willing to sell? My 60csx broke and I am having a hard time swinging a brand new Montana........

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You can get refurbed 600's for $399...
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:30 AM   #7446
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You can get refurbed 600's for $399...
Ya I saw a few on ebay, but that is only about $60 or so from a new one. I am not sure if it would just be worth it to get a new one or gamble with a refeb with not a lot of price difference??
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:56 AM   #7447
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When Navigating a Track the "Distance" data is the actual Track path distance from your current location on the path - NOT line-of-sight distance. The same holds true for Route "Distance".

This is why I don't navigate Direct Route's on the Montana since the "Dist to Dest" would be calculated from a path made up of long straight lines.
But, doesn't Garmin calculate a track's distance by adding up the line-of-sight distance from each track point to the next track point? In essence, isn't a track distance calculation exactly the same as a direct route calculation except that a track usually has many more points defining it than a direct route and is made up of many short straight lines?
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:21 AM   #7448
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But, doesn't Garmin calculate a track's distance by adding up the line-of-sight distance from each track point to the next track point? In essence, isn't a track distance calculation exactly the same as a direct route calculation except that a track usually has many more points defining it than a direct route and is made up of many short straight lines?
Exactly. As many as 10,000 straight lines per track :)

As always, more track points = better accuracy.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:23 AM   #7449
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When you get down to it, is there really any difference between a track and a direct route other than the number of points supported?

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Old 04-12-2013, 11:26 AM   #7450
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Ya I saw a few on ebay, but that is only about $60 or so from a new one. I am not sure if it would just be worth it to get a new one or gamble with a refeb with not a lot of price difference??

The refurbs are pretty much like-new units that Garmin builds up from returns. The exteriors are always new parts and all the sub-components are fully tested and if the sub-component fails tests, they are replaced (not repaired). They are arguably better tested than new units and have the same warranty from Garmin. Heck the sub components that are reused have got time on them so they're past the infant mortality stage. These are what you get when you send a unit to Garmin for repair - they don't send you back the unit you send them.

I'm not sure where you are finding them new for just $60 more, seems like they are $499 pretty much everywhere. $60 is pretty close so I'd be more on the fence than $100 I suppose.

I buy both refurbs and new units and it depends on a lot of factors for me. I've bought more than a couple refurbed Garmins and also plenty of new ones and my track record is spotless with the refurbs. I've had a few new units that have been replaced under warranty or sent for repair although they were much older models and I've bought more new ones than refurbs. YMMV...
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:28 AM   #7451
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The refurbs are pretty much like-new units that Garmin builds up from returns. The exteriors are always new parts and all the sub-components are fully tested and if the sub-component fails tests, they are replaced (not repaired). They are arguably better tested than new units and have the same warranty from Garmin.

I buy both refurbs and new units and it depends on a lot of factors for me. I've bought more than a couple refurbed Garmins and also plenty of new ones and my track record is spotless with the refurbs. I've had a few new units that have been replaced under warranty or sent for repair although they were much older models and I've bought more new ones than refurbs. YMMV...
Yes!

My refurbs always last longer than the NIB units :)
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When you get down to it, is there really any difference between a track and a direct route other than the number of points supported?

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The biggest difference with navigation is prolly that you get waypoints in the route and the track is just start point and endpoint although if the waypoints from the route are in the unit than that difference sort of evaporates.
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Yes!

My refurbs always last longer than the NIB units :)

I can say that I've gotten more hrs/$ with the refurbs....
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:40 PM   #7454
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The biggest difference with navigation is prolly that you get waypoints in the route and the track is just start point and endpoint although if the waypoints from the route are in the unit than that difference sort of evaporates.
You say that a "track is just start point and endpoint". A track with just a start and end point is a straight line from the start to the end point. If there are more than two points in a track, they are all the same type of points.

It seems that the only effective difference between a track and direct route is that the track is just a series of track points and a direct route is just a series of way points (and maybe via points). Both are just straight lines connecting one point to the next (with more points supported in tracks than direct routes), distance measurements are calculated the same way for both and you can convert on to the other.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:17 PM   #7455
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You say that a "track is just start point and endpoint". A track with just a start and end point is a straight line from the start to the end point. If there are more than two points in a track, they are all the same type of points.

It seems that the only effective difference between a track and direct route is that the track is just a series of track points and a direct route is just a series of way points (and maybe via points). Both are just straight lines connecting one point to the next (with more points supported in tracks than direct routes), distance measurements are calculated the same way for both and you can convert on to the other.
You're correct in that both a Track and a Direct Route can accomplish the same thing. The difference is that with a Track there is (as has been noted previously) a 10,000 point limit vs a 250 point limit for DR's. If resolution of the path is an issue, you know, so you don't miss that critical uphill or downhill "Y" intersection, a Track would be my choice since when navigating I'm going to see changes in elevation as "waypoints" along the path. So, if I need to be going "up-hill" at the "Y" I should see an up-arrow waypoint on the path. You are correct in that the distance from point to point is calculated the same between a Track and DR. Oh, and don't forget, you can have Waypoints along a Track and they will be included in calculations when Navigating (GO) such as Dist-to-Next and the Navigation List as long as they are within 50meters of the Track path.

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