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Old 04-11-2013, 08:42 PM   #856
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This has always confused me Why mag 7 or baja pits doesn't just offer a fuel only option, obviously they are missing the boat. If you want fuel it cost you $700! Looks like there's a niche to be filled. And money to be made!
I bet they tried that in the past. Then one of the fuel-only customers came in and needed wrenching. Then I imagine one of two things happened:

1) They stepped up to help wrench, and then the guy never came back later and paid for the support that he ended up using.

2) The didn't help, and the guy got all pissed off, and then told everyone how they were a bunch of jerks.

Either situation probably resulted in the guys at MAG7 saying "Well, that BS totally isn't worth it."

My understanding from those guys last year is that the organization basically covers costs. How many trucks? Going how many thousand miles? Fuel for them all? Lodging for them? Food for them? Tires every once in a while? Repair bills for crazy stuff?

I know we're all wicked smart on the internet... but if there was really a bunch of easy money in supplying fuel only, a crafty desert fox surely would have figured that out already.

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Old 04-11-2013, 09:02 PM   #857
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Mag7
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Do a great job at all the races the support
It is NOt cheep!!
They spend a ton of time and money for the love of the sport
In thus rally format you can do 99%
Of the support with one truck per racer
IF you set your bike up with the Right amount
of fuel capacity And depending on the miles per gallon you can get
For example I am Carrying 5.8 gallons of gas so I'm good for 200 miles max
At full race speeds.
At the typical score race the pits are 45-55 miles apart
And at 65 miles most bikes are bone dry
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:04 PM   #858
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Never pass gas... In Baja.

Yes, count me in.
You plus the 3 Texas rangers
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:20 PM   #859
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You can do mag seven pits emergency only which is gas only for $400
Plus the price of gas
Oh well thats news to me. My understanding was Emergency Service did not include the option of also ordering fuel. This is from their website and it is written as though if you want fuel, you pay full service...which I did for two years, btw.

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Choose Either Full Service or Emergency Service:
Full Service:
MAG 7 crews will transport your spares to the pits and back and fill you during the race with your desired fuel
(high-octane or pre-mix) from dry-breaks, dump cans, or jazz cans.

Emergency Service:
Already using BFG or Honda pits? Sign up with MAG 7 Emergency Support Service in addition to your current pit service to ensure you have help WHEN and WHERE you need it. We have more pits located around the race course than anyone else.
It's inexpensive insurance for a fast finish.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:39 AM   #860
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Ok
So far 4 bike want gass at. San Juan Nico
I'm going to leave this option available until Sunday and then I'm taking it down
Count two of us in for fuel in San Juan Nico. #87 and #727 Will send you a PM
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:44 AM   #861
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I have a buddy that LIVES there
he is buying the gas and taking care of everything.
I just need to send him $$$$$$ by the 18th of April

I have 13 teams as of now
#101
#815
#47
#333
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#151
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:10 AM   #862
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I plan on making a drive by on my way to SF. Bike's not ready, I'm not ready, money's not ready. I'll be down in SF when you guys come through so I can wave my genitals at you all.

Mike and Aaron most likely won't be here this year... speaking of genitals.
Next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next year You, Mike and I can do the Tres Amigos dealio and turn the mother out. This year turned far too serious, I heard it was all for fun but doesn't always work out that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best of luck to everyone and please be sure to smile when you start a stage to remind yourself why you're there. Leave the serious shit at home on the night stand.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:19 AM   #863
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BD - sent you an email (if I had your email address correct). Let me know if you didn't get it...
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:31 PM   #864
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Oh well thats news to me. My understanding was Emergency Service did not include the option of also ordering fuel. This is from their website and it is written as though if you want fuel, you pay full service...which I did for two years, btw.
It looks like "boiler plate" not NORRA specific because it mentions Honda Pits.
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Old 04-12-2013, 06:07 PM   #865
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This is my KTM 690 Rally Raid race bike for the NORRA Mexican 1000 rally
this are taken with my I PHONE!!!

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Old 04-12-2013, 08:43 PM   #866
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:24 PM   #867
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This is my KTM 690 Rally Raid race bike for the NORRA Mexican 1000 rally
That looks great Mark!

Very nice build...
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:50 PM   #868
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Very nice!! I'll trade you my 990A for it
That's my dream setup.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:03 PM   #869
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Ok count me in as well, better safe than sorry. #25 Thanks for setting this up BD.

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UP Date:
I have a buddy that LIVES there
he is buying the gas and taking care of everything.
I just need to send him $$$$$$ by the 18th of April

I have 13 teams as of now
#101
#815
#47
#333
#30
#151
#88
#888
#721
#87
#727
#33
#42
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Old 04-14-2013, 01:18 PM   #870
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I just posted this on RDC, where there's a poll regarding this subject...

Here are the instructions for navigating the 1971 NORRA Mexican 1000 Rally, and a sample from the 1971 roadbook. This came from Mike Pearlman’s box of early off-road racing history. So, this event is indeed “honoring the past” by using roadbooks for navigation. With a few tweaks, those 1971 instructions could apply to using today’s NORRA roadbook.

I do see Marty’s point about making it easy for everyone to find their way. GPS is easy. But is that really in the spirit of Baja racing? Isn’t Baja all about overcoming adversity, dealing with what’s thrown at you, and having a fun adventure while beating all those challenges? Maybe those who are looking for less challenge should enter the NORRA Charity Poker Run instead of the race. The roadbook is just another challenge. You can hate dust, hate bumps and old short-travel vehicles, hate dangerous twisty roads, hate sand, and hate navigation. Or you can embrace those things that challenge you, and have a ton of fun doing it.

Is GPS fun? Do you get to the finish line and say “Wow that was tough navigation, I really accomplished something following that line on the screen.” Although the NORRA roadbooks are pretty simple to follow (with a good odometer, even grandpa could do it), there is still a level of satisfaction and accomplishment when you find your way through each stage. It’s what the guys in the old days had to deal with, long before the days of GPS and a burned in course.

GPS should be added to the list of things that have “Wussified” the sport. I’d be all for the old way of “find your own way to the finish”. Unfortunately, in these days of expanding pavement, private property, locked gates, liabilities, etc., it’s not very practical to do that in Baja. It is possible elsewhere, and the Diabolical Rally will include that and other long-lost elements of early off-road racing, but that’s another subject and another race.

Everyone seems to have their own idea what the meaning of this event should be, and how NORRA should run it. Some say it’s all about honoring the past (old-school, vintage), some say it’s all about having fun (relax, enjoy), some are laser focused on winning at all cost (speed, race). Clearly Mike Pearlman has his own vision, which includes all of the above, plus aspects of rally (stages, roadbook navigation). Personally, I think he’s done a great job creating an event that sets itself apart from all the others. I sure hope he doesn’t give in to those who are afraid of a good, fun, old-school challenge!



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