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Old 04-17-2013, 11:45 AM   #1936
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If that is the case then what is the counter argument?

My problem is that we do not let people walk on roads for a reason, speed differential mostly.

So why do we allow a bicycle that might be going 15-20 miles an hour (not talking downhill) on a 45-55 mph road? What, because it has two wheels?
You are thinking these rules are for safety? interesting.

The counter argument is that our taxes are pooled and spent by our elected officials. Road taxes are spent just as fast as any others and not necessarily on roads. the fact that some say they pay more in taxes ( and how would they know what others pay?) really doesn't matter as it is the VOTES that decide who gets to spend the government money and on what.
But really roads are there for people to travel. A 45mph speed limit simply means the upper limit. When someone on a scooter or a combine is in front of me going 20 mph, I do not have the right to bump them out of my way. People walk on roads all the time. Even in the city and in some places, even on the interstate. Out in Wyoming I remember seeing farm equipment, bicycles and pedestrians on the interstate because there really is no "other" road.

Would I say having such a difference in speed a safe thing? No. I agree that it is not that safe, however, how far down the safety road do we motorcyclists want to travel? They could ban 2 wheelers pretty easily I think.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:45 PM   #1937
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You are thinking these rules are for safety? interesting.

The counter argument is that our taxes are pooled and spent by our elected officials. Road taxes are spent just as fast as any others and not necessarily on roads. the fact that some say they pay more in taxes ( and how would they know what others pay?) really doesn't matter as it is the VOTES that decide who gets to spend the government money and on what.
But really roads are there for people to travel. A 45mph speed limit simply means the upper limit. When someone on a scooter or a combine is in front of me going 20 mph, I do not have the right to bump them out of my way. People walk on roads all the time. Even in the city and in some places, even on the interstate. Out in Wyoming I remember seeing farm equipment, bicycles and pedestrians on the interstate because there really is no "other" road.



Would I say having such a difference in speed a safe thing? No. I agree that it is not that safe, however, how far down the safety road do we motorcyclists want to travel? They could ban 2 wheelers pretty easily I think.
In MI, there's a 45 mph minimum speed restriction on limited-access highways. It's felt that slower traffic is a hazard and should travel on alternate routes.

Over the years, a few communities here have tried to exclude motorcycles and found out in court that any street that has been built and/or maintained with public tax dollars can't be closed to any licensed passenger vehicle that pays road and fuel taxes.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:33 PM   #1938
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:37 PM   #1939
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In MI, there's a 45 mph minimum speed restriction on limited-access highways. It's felt that slower traffic is a hazard and should travel on alternate routes.

Over the years, a few communities here have tried to exclude motorcycles and found out in court that any street that has been built and/or maintained with public tax dollars can't be closed to any licensed passenger vehicle that pays road and fuel taxes.
On limited access/high speed roads, I can see preventing bicycles, scooters, mopeds, etc. In fact, if you watch the entry ramps to *most* freeways, there's a sign that says just that.

We're not discussing limited-access roadways here tho. We're discussing pretty much everything *but* because *most* cyclists don't want the BS involved in dealing with the cars.



While I don't agree with these guys, it just goes to show that *in the right conditions,* riding a bike is faster than driving. (and why lane sharing should be a nationwide thing, not just relegated to CA)

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Old 04-18-2013, 11:41 AM   #1940
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:46 AM   #1941
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:53 AM   #1942
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that's crazy....
I thought people were meant to keep control of their animals?


and who says bicycles are slow?
this guy is tearing ass on a mountain bike

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Old 04-18-2013, 01:31 PM   #1943
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Yeah, its a bad situation but if he had enough time to tell the owner(s) to curb their dog he also had enough time and should have slowed down. No different then coming up on a child. Expect the unexpected.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:19 PM   #1944
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Yeah, its a bad situation but if he had enough time to tell the owner(s) to curb their dog he also had enough time and should have slowed down. No different then coming up on a child. Expect the unexpected.
I can see both sides of this one. Dog owners are partially responsible because their dog ran in front of the dood. Rider is partially responsible because if you have time to yell, lots of times you have time to avoid.

That there's no sharing of blame in this case is the WTF?!

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I can see both sides of this one. Dog owners are partially responsible because their dog ran in front of the dood. Rider is partially responsible because if you have time to yell, lots of times you have time to avoid.

That there's no sharing of blame in this case is the WTF?!

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In MI, dogs have to be leashed. The dog's owner would have been breaking the law by letting it run.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:58 PM   #1946
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I can see both sides of this one. Dog owners are partially responsible because their dog ran in front of the dood. Rider is partially responsible because if you have time to yell, lots of times you have time to avoid.

That there's no sharing of blame in this case is the WTF?!

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First off, what is "the loop"? A bicycle path? MUP?
I re-read the article. I shouldn't have put all the blame on the cyclist in my previous post. The dog owners had control of the dog past the time the cyclist sounded off so they should have kept control until after the cyclist rode by. Yeah, he kind of got screwed by the judge.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:12 PM   #1947
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First off, what is "the loop"? A bicycle path? MUP?
I re-read the article. I shouldn't have put all the blame on the cyclist in my previous post. The dog owners had control of the dog past the time the cyclist sounded off so they should have kept control until after the cyclist rode by. Yeah, he kind of got screwed by the judge.
Sounded like Central Park. FWI've heard/read there's an 'off-leash' area/time/something that allows dogs to run free.

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Old 04-18-2013, 07:15 PM   #1948
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why don't you read his post

or do you have no comprehension skills

instead of casting aspersions

half the problem is aggressive packs of pushbicyclists

now I know why you do it

but as I've stated before it causes accidents

puts you and others at risk

I hate going around a blind corner

finding a car coming at me

as they are trying to pass aggressive packs of cyclists

claiming their right on the road

I don't blame the car as they will always do something silly

I blame the packs of cyclists

for putting me in a life and death situation

have a think about where you do your riding

same problem with the packs of pirates

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That speaks volumes about your reasoning skills. Blaming legal road users rather than a motorist making an illegal pass in a blind bend tells me all I need to know about you. Just another entitled idiot who poses a threat to my safety.

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Old 04-18-2013, 07:19 PM   #1949
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You don't go 20 mph. You proceed as conditions permit which means not doing 20 mph in the midst of high speed traffic or among peds.

It's a difficult thing to face but sometimes you can't get your way. The world won't accommodate all your needs. I don't like it either, but that's the way of things.
Those are great word of wisdom for the entitled motorists.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #1950
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No, the cager argument where I am is that fuel taxes pay for the roads so they are the domain of the engine powered vehicle.
Fuel taxes pay for some of the road and highway building but not all of it.
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