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Old 04-19-2013, 07:10 PM   #3301
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OK, OK....when will the IICE, "when do I get mine", ever end and the next device [Smooth/Cool or whatever] begin...not that I want to deprive others of the IICE, but how many years has this trickle down been dragging out?

It has been asked many times but never answered...when, even in geologic time, can we expect to be able to purchase the compliment to the IICE?

Thanks...
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:37 PM   #3302
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Well, thanks for the response even though the analogy was too much for my small brain to fully appreciate I think you mostly just confirmed what I already suspected though.

Allow me to modify your analogy and correct me if I don't get it right:

IICE Air puts $1000 in your brokerage account each day instead of the $850 your ECU was depositing.

The sprockets allow you to buy a little lower and sell a little higher with whatever money is in your account.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:12 PM   #3303
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Well, thanks for the response even though the analogy was too much for my small brain to fully appreciate I think you mostly just confirmed what I already suspected though.

Allow me to modify your analogy and correct me if I don't get it right:

IICE Air puts $1000 in your brokerage account each day instead of the $850 your ECU was depositing.

The sprockets allow you to buy a little lower and sell a little higher with whatever money is in your account.
The first part is correct, in that more fuel gets injected.

The second part is not quite correct in that there is no gain over and above the money you start with say. Though you can determine whether you withdraw the money in the morning or in the afternoon for example. The analogy is that cam timing determines at which point in the rev range the motor produces maximum power.



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Old 04-19-2013, 08:23 PM   #3304
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Got it. That's what I was trying to say. The sprockets let you take whatever is in the bank and use it at the most useful time. No gain per se.

Well, I think I understand well enough even if my analogy only makes sense to me. Order for IICE Air placed!
Thanks!

(I should expect to get it by Friday, right?)
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:23 PM   #3305
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:26 PM   #3306
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Well, thanks for the response even though the analogy was too much for my small brain to fully appreciate I think you mostly just confirmed what I already suspected though.

Allow me to modify your analogy and correct me if I don't get it right:

IICE Air puts $1000 in your brokerage account each day instead of the $850 your ECU was depositing.

The sprockets allow you to buy a little lower and sell a little higher with whatever money is in your account.


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The first part is correct, in that more fuel gets injected.

The second part is not quite correct in that there is no gain over and above the money you start with say. Though you can determine whether you withdraw the money in the morning or in the afternoon for example. The analogy is that cam timing determines at which point in the rev range the motor produces maximum power.




Great.

I was just on the cusp of deciphering the stock market when you guys screwed everything up

w/ your damned FI analogies.
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:06 PM   #3307
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Ordered mine a little while ago. Don't understand the "market" at all . Just know that the flux costs me money at times .Looking forward to more versatile torque out of my old GS.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:59 AM   #3308
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OK, OK....when will the IICE, "when do I get mine", ever end and the next device [Smooth/Cool or whatever] begin...not that I want to deprive others of the IICE, but how many years has this trickle down been dragging out?

It has been asked many times but never answered...when, even in geologic time, can we expect to be able to purchase the compliment to the IICE?

Thanks...
It's only been 2 years, 5 months and 3 days since the first announcement. Still, a good question though.

Here's another: Are the IICE Air, IICE Cool and IICE Smooth running on any bike anywhere?

Ever since post #146 I've wondered how they might all work together in the real world.
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:14 PM   #3309
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It's only been 2 years, 5 months and 3 days since the first announcement. Still, a good question though.

Here's another: Are the IICE Air, IICE Cool and IICE Smooth running on any bike anywhere?

Ever since post #146 I've wondered how they might all work together in the real world.
Look, I love the IICE Air on my '07 GSA...my riding is 100% off road and this device makes my riding so much more controlled. Fewer drops and less drama; just better throttle control where I need it, at slow speeds in the loose and rolling stuff...it has made my riding more fun and safer; a bonus is that I can dial in richer mixtures and protect my motor in high heat/lugging stretches ...this leads me to "now".


I believe a lot of us take PS's and JJ's accomplishments for granted.


They have created something that neither BMW or any other person engineered and offered for our bikes. I had a Booster Plug; a good device, but the IICE Air is superior at many levels. Others may copy the IICE Air or try to voodoo together a "Mojo Device" that tries to emulate the IICE Air but they have fallen far short despite their grandiose claims and proclamations. PS nailed it from theory to application.


The Smooth and Cool conceptually, and I do not doubt in fact, would add to the performance and capability of our BMWs...I am all for that. My repeated prodding for production of these two devices is not done to demean or lessen what PS and JJ have delivered to us thus far: The IICE Air.


I can wait for the Smooth and Cool until hell freezes over if need be and still have a big shit eatin' grin riding my GSA with the IICE Air.


In short all of us on ADVrider who want the Smooth and Cool to become a reality need to support PS and JJ in their development and production of them.


I am happy as a clam at high tide with their existing product and can't wait, well actually I can, for what is coming next!

Let them know that you also support them.


I will order up two Smooths and two Cools when they become available, just like I did the IICE Air. Life is way too short to not go first class!

HW...forgot to clearly state that none of my comments were directed at you or generated from your post..it just got me thinking in the context of the bigger picture and I wanted to put a voice to what was rattling around in my head.
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:09 PM   #3310
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Yeah. Yeah. Nice try, dickhead. I'm still first in line. Jeez.









Well, said. (In fact, very well said.)
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:48 AM   #3311
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Yeah. Yeah. Nice try, dickhead. I'm still first in line. Jeez.









Well, said. (In fact, very well said.)
Hey, if you are in fact a SOG [just cuz we are 'seasoned' does not make us slow] ....Hmmmmm, I have knives from that company...well then, that makes two SOGs looking forward to the next generation of goodies!

Ps...Very sad about West.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:20 AM   #3312
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Yup. Sucks.

And as to whether or not I'm "slow"....the fast guys think I am. Slow guys? Not so much. ;)
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:11 AM   #3313
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Look, I love the IICE Air on my '07 GSA...
Well Phil (Wallowa), you certainly are enthusiastic. I'll give you that. I appreciate the complements, deserving or otherwise. 



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Old 04-22-2013, 01:02 PM   #3314
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It has been asked many times but never answered...when, even in geologic time, can we expect to be able to purchase the compliment to the IICE?
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Ever since post #146 I've wondered how they might all work together in the real world.

Are the IICE Air, IICE Cool and IICE Smooth running on any bike anywhere?
Yes. There are several IICE Cools out there. JJ has a non-retail version say on his bike. Non-retail meaning it isn't as dressed up as the finished version would be. And not dressed up might be an understatement, heh heh.

The Smooth is working like a champ in testing. There are a range of parameters for the Smooth that JJ and I have discussed, and I'll need to evaluate them. That requires more elaborate test equipment beyond simple diagnostic tools. Other than bracketing the performance range of the data acquisition platform I haven't finished the instrumentation needed for that evaluation.

I haven't finished the instrumentation because the available time is rightly devoted to the IICE Air right now.

The answer to your question of 'How will they all work together?' will have to be the subject of another more detailed post



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Old 04-22-2013, 05:51 PM   #3315
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How fantastic... there are prototypes out there...?

The IICE Air works so well, just it being in the post makes me have a huge grin whenever i ride my 1100GS.

I know .... i know.... how much better will it run when i actually do fit the Air??
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