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Old 04-23-2013, 07:07 PM   #2551
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if it turns out he was juiced is he still the goat?

If one was the others also just as much and probably more so trying to keep up.
Which means the playing field was fairly level and he still dominated.


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Old 04-23-2013, 07:30 PM   #2552
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If one was the others also just as much and probably more so trying to keep up.
Which means the playing field was fairly level and he still dominated.


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probably and with that kind of money at stake who can blame him/them.

but lets say for arguments sake RC was juiced, maybe even just for recovery on monday mornings.

Is he still the goat over Roger DeCoster?
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:40 PM   #2553
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What makes you think Roger wasn't juiced?
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:40 PM   #2554
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And you claimed Roid-rage on CR22 for years before his Millville crash (at which point you decided he was the toughest guy ever and never mentioned the Roid claim again) so what is your opinion on Reed as a current rider and his possible P.E. drug use?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:03 PM   #2555
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And you claimed Roid-rage on CR22 for years before his Millville crash (at which point you decided he was the toughest guy ever and never mentioned the Roid claim again) so what is your opinion on Reed as a current rider and his possible P.E. drug use?
it's certainly possible Reed was and is juiced but the crash at Millville made him legendary in my book. Millville was also after the dust had cleared from JS7's last SX championship run when I was anti Reed due to all the incidents.

as far as Reed as a current rider, I think he's great. I think they are all great (with a few exceptions...) juiced or not.

I do have a problem however if the one who is deemed the goat did it with benefit of PED's because I think that nobody deserves that title and if someone does deserve it then it would have to be DeCoster not RC though RC has arguably better credentials and if RC was juiced than all bets are off. I think it's safe to say DeCoster wasn't.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:07 PM   #2556
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What makes you think Roger wasn't juiced?
it wasn't exactly prevalent in the 70s.

DeCoster is kind of like Jack Nicklaus. Somewhat same era, same level of greatness. A few could beat him in a big spot but not very often and when they did he was breathing down their necks.

Just like RC is like Tiger Woods. Same era. Blazingly dominant. And I'd bet any amount of money Woods was juiced a few years back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:15 PM   #2557
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Roger was a big fan of Eddie Merckx (a bicycle racer) back when he was younger. What do you think made Roger dominant all of a sudden? Was it just the works Suzuki? Or is there something more?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:24 PM   #2558
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please do expound on that list which comprises the host of others who spank James Stewart on a dirt bike every weekend I must be missing something.
I didn't know you didn't see any of the SX races this year.

Pos. Name Points
1. Ryan Villopoto 321
2. Davi Millsaps 296
3. Ryan Dungey 295
4. Justin Barcia 245
5. Chad Reed 213
Pos. Name Points
6. Trey Canard 202
7. Andrew Short 189
8. James Stewart 174


I like Stewart more this year and last year than I have in the past. But he has a lot that he has to live up to like "The fastest man on the planet". The harder he tries the more mistakes he makes. He is his biggest competition. Sure he can make a few fast laps even 8 and win a heat. But he hasn't been able to do it in the main, well he did for one.

I just don't see JS happy racing for 5th, thru 10th place. If he can't be at the top I don't see him sticking around. I think the ground work is being laid now to make an easy out. Bad knee, bad wrist, broken bone in his hand. Which I am sure is true, but all the guys out there do.

Do I want to see him go? No. Do I want to see him get hurt? No. Do I want to see him fall and the guys I want to win pass? Yes, I do.

It's been a good season, not as good as it should have been with the deep field of riders. Seems like most mains the racing is over by 10 or so laps. But it still beats watching any other sport.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:25 PM   #2559
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Roger was a big fan of Eddie Merckx (a bicycle racer) back when he was younger. What do you think made Roger dominant all of a sudden? Was it just the works Suzuki? Or is there something more?
it's certainly possible. I'm sure the Suzuki helped at a time when he was in his prime. if it's true I'd say his records are tainted given that Ake, Bauer, Aberg, Weil, Mikkola and company probably weren't. Maybe they were. Who knows.

Do you think RC was juiced?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:29 PM   #2560
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I didn't know you didn't see any of the SX races this year.

Pos. Name Points
1. Ryan Villopoto 321
2. Davi Millsaps 296
3. Ryan Dungey 295
4. Justin Barcia 245
5. Chad Reed 213
Pos. Name Points
6. Trey Canard 202
7. Andrew Short 189
8. James Stewart 174


I like Stewart more this year and last year than I have in the past. But he has a lot that he has to live up to like "The fastest man on the planet". The harder he tries the more mistakes he makes. He is his biggest competition. Sure he can make a few fast laps even 8 and win a heat. But he hasn't been able to do it in the main, well he did for one.

I just don't see JS happy racing for 5th, thru 10th place. If he can't be at the top I don't see him sticking around. I think the ground work is being laid now to make an easy out. Bad knee, bad wrist, broken bone in his hand. Which I am sure is true, but all the guys out there do.

Do I want to see him go? No. Do I want to see him get hurt? No. Do I want to see him fall and the guys I want to win pass? Yes, I do.

It's been a good season, not as good as it should have been with the deep field of riders. Seems like most mains the racing is over by 10 or so laps. But it still beats watching any other sport.
bit of a contradiction.

Stewarts points standing isn't a result of getting spanked by the likes of Short and Canard, its the result of his mishaps.

How many heat races has Short won this year?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:36 PM   #2561
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I have wondered about how he went from chubby to super fit. But if he was the only one doing it somebody would have ratted him out by now, don't you think?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:40 PM   #2562
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I have wondered about how he went from chubby to super fit. But if he was the only one doing it somebody would have ratted him out by now, don't you think?
I never said he was the only one that should be suspected of doing it.

goat is goat. if he was juiced he can't be the goat. give it to Dick Mann and move on.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:44 PM   #2563
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Dick Mann wasn't a mxer. And how do you know he wasn't juiced?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:57 PM   #2564
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I've got super 8 footage of Dick Mann riding MX on a BSA. Mann did every type of riding well.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:19 PM   #2565
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I have wondered about how he went from chubby to super fit. But if he was the only one doing it somebody would have ratted him out by now, don't you think?
He wasn't chubby, he was a scrawny little fucker.

Look at AC92 for a good comparison.
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