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Old 05-09-2013, 10:51 AM   #8866
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I believe the purpose of these forums is to share information, and even though a subject may have been "beaten to death", I see no need to receive insulting and rude responses as from oz97tj.

oz97tj is probably just a bit grumpy as he had a new engine installed in his LC due to some type of starter clutch failure.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:44 AM   #8867
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Is "ruling the earth" from the saddle of an Adventure really the secret fantasy that Adventure riders have? - I've often wondered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquistadors

I Don't know how many know this, but the R1100 & R1150GS's are already known as the "Conquistadors" by several of the popular bike magazines of the day. I remember distinctly Mark Tuttle ( i think that was his name) of Rider saying that the R1100GS has no peer in crossing continents. That the R1100GS is a true "Conquistadors". No reason for that to change, Just because an engine is water cooled and fancy electronics are added. Exact opposite, the complexity of the WGS, means it is more vulnerable. Will it break, who knows. ( how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop ?) But I am willing to bet that when they get to be 20 + years old, the new WGS will not be as reliable or as trustworthy as its progenitors! Simpler is always more reliable. To be a world ruler, I would think that you would want your ride to not break down if you are being chased by the "Mongol hordes"

with that said the WGS is a fun bike. It will take a dealer to support the electronics. We won't know for another 20 years if it is any better than previous models. To rule the earth, I am thinking that Gaston Rahier bike is the true Ruler!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Rahier
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:01 PM   #8868
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I did a test ride on the new watercooled 1200GS. What everyone says, awesome, game changer bike. I ride a 2011 MTS and the beemer made me drool!!

this is a long thread, so apologies if this conversation has already occurred and I missed it

HOWEVER

As we all know Kevin Ash died in S. Africa test riding this bike on a straight stretch of dirt road. I read Bike magazine's report on the bike, that the reviewer had a serious tankslapper riding the bike and that 2 other reporters also had a problem. Because of these instability problems, Bike would not give it 5 stars. I don't want to cast dispersion on BMW, but it is hard not to suspect that the crash that killed Ash might be related to a serious fault with the bike.

If there are any answers or explanations, it would be good to have it out in the open. OR are we waiting for a lawsuit?

Other published comments on this issue:

BMW have tried to replicate the incidents but deny finding anything wrong with the bikes in thousands of miles of testing.

Read the following test rides, here is what Kevin Duke from Motorcycle.com wrote in his report http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...iew-91507.html
"However, the GS did disappoint me during a casual ride down an open dirt road. I was standing up to get cool air through my riding gear, traveling about 45 mph, when I encountered a washboard section. In an instant and with seemingly no provocation, the bike went into a wild tankslapper that threatened to throw me from the bike. It was a very panicked second before the steering regained its composure.

We can’t yet say for certain this is a problem with the bike, but another journalist reported a similar experience when he was riding while standing. This is quite unexpected considering the chassis geometry is essentially unchanged from the previous model, plus there were no stability issues whatsoever during high-speed road riding. I wonder if perhaps the Dynamic ESA allowed the front suspension to pack down over the washboard surface, reducing its rake and trail to less stable geometry. Or perhaps the GS will end up with a steering damper when deliveries begin in March of this year."

and another one from COSTA MOUZOURIS of Canada Motoguide.com http://canadamotoguide.com/2013/01/2...h-bmw-r1200gs/
"The only hiccup in the bike’s handling is a possible tendency to shake its head while standing on the footpegs over rough terrain. On a couple of occasions while standing, hitting a succession of sharp bumps causes the fork to shake just a bit. It isn’t alarming; it’s just that I don’t remember the old bike having any tendency to do this. A couple of the U.S. journos also noted this."

In the meantime BMW issued two recalls one for oil pressure where transmission oil exceeding the specified limits and this could lead to the output shaft sealing ring to leak.http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...sue-54935.html
the other is the Automatic Stability Control (ASC) system may not reactivate following off-road use in the “Enduro-Pro” mode. As the ASC warning lamp is no longer illuminated, the rider may be unaware that the system is still currently deactivated. This could result in a crash causing property damage and/or personal injury.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/...eng&rn=2013060

In the meantime, I will keep my Multistrada and wait for a 2014 model before consideration.
Hmmm I thought this or at least part of it had been put to bed. Maybe the thread I read on ukgser was bull don't know but. Kevin was killed because of a collision with another bike. The bike journalist that had the huge tank slapper was riding hands free on cruise control while standing up I.E being a total twat and it should never have been published. I will try and locate the thread and link to it later so you can all decide for yourself if it's bull or not but it explains a few things to my mind why nobody outside the SA tests have managed to replicate a lock snapping slapper.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:31 PM   #8869
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Maybe I was a bit grumpy at the time of response and maybe I was a little harsh. Frankly I took the post as more trolling which is irritating and pointless. If you truky werr asking an honest question I apologize.


With that said, I stand by my statement about their being tons of bikes out there with no issues that would indicate it being a death machine any more than any other bike ever made.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:12 PM   #8870
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Maybe I was a bit grumpy at the time of response and maybe I was a little harsh.

That's OK, I'm a bit grumpy because I'm not able to get new LC right now.

Here's to yours going over 100K miles like my 2007
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:15 PM   #8871
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Hmmm I thought this or at least part of it had been put to bed. Maybe the thread I read on ukgser was bull don't know but. Kevin was killed because of a collision with another bike. The bike journalist that had the huge tank slapper was riding hands free on cruise control while standing up I.E being a total twat and it should never have been published. I will try and locate the thread and link to it later so you can all decide for yourself if it's bull or not but it explains a few things to my mind why nobody outside the SA tests have managed to replicate a lock snapping slapper.
I am curious, please do find those posts.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:47 PM   #8872
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I am curious, please do find those posts.
Found it:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334967

Hardly definitive though.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:58 PM   #8873
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I have a test ride g this bike scheduled sat and all ready pre-approved on it. Only bump if I like it will be my trade in which I have a couple K equity in according to bluebook.

Afraid I am really gonna like this thing..cripes!

Newbie question though..I really dont care about the options other than the dang LED headlight(I liek seeign at night..go figure)...

Do I have to buy all the farkles to get it or is someone aware of a dealership doing that seperate from a 2K option package?

Fudge I am scared of Saturday
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:20 PM   #8874
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Do I have to buy all the farkles to get it or is someone aware of a dealership doing that seperate from a 2K option package?

Fudge I am scared of Saturday
LCD is part of a package. Probably intentional to drive people to the package versus standalone.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:51 PM   #8875
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If the only thing you want is the LED for brightness and none of the other options, you can buy some pretty amazing aux lights for far.
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:09 PM   #8876
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If the only thing you want is the LED for brightness and none of the other options, you can buy some pretty amazing aux lights for far.
Aux maybe but not really when you consider on-road suitability (DOT), no for main LED low-beam. I'd go with the full LED package, it's only money
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:41 PM   #8877
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If the only thing you want is the LED for brightness and none of the other options, you can buy some pretty amazing aux lights for far.
With the exception of the Piaa LP530s, the led aftermarket driving lights would only be suitable for supplementing the high beam. Where the LED headlight truly shines is on low beam, extremely bright with a wide throw and sharp cutoff so it gives excellent visibility without bothering oncoming traffic.
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:47 PM   #8878
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If the only thing you want is the LED for brightness and none of the other options, you can buy some pretty amazing aux lights for far.
I agree. The OEM aux LEDs are a bunch cheaper and the integrated switch/mirror mount is cool!
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:11 PM   #8879
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That's OK, I'm a bit grumpy because I'm not able to get new LC right now.

Here's to yours going over 100K miles like my 2007
I'm grumpy coz I have to wait 4 more days to pick up my new LC I ordered in Feb, lol.

I have not had a bike for 3 weeks now as I advertised my bike early before the new model expecting it not to sell immediately, I was wrong.

4 more sleeps, c'mon sandman do your thing!
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:45 PM   #8880
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lol..waiting is hard!

So after test riding a 13' and an older GS ...yeah...ended up picking up the last 13'GS they had in stock..

Damn thing was a rocket...the one they had there even had the options I wanted..and they threw in the 400 dollars engine guards.


Pick it up Tuesday or Wed..cant wait!!!
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