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Old 05-07-2013, 12:05 PM   #616
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HI-Viz option is the only change this year, no structural mods - as emailed to me from Klim.
emailed with Klim as well...

"The only difference with the badlands will be that we have a new color. We have not changed the structure or the style or anything from previous years." Allee/Klim
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:22 PM   #617
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The problem were the upper vents on the sleeves. They added a flap to prevent rain getting in direct contact with the "water resistant" zipper. Now it is absolutely waterproof in my case as well for my riding buddy who had exactely the same problem.
You can read the whole story with illustrating images on our webpage under http://www.rvsz.ch/?page_id=59 (It's in german though)
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Are they going to address this at all and improve the jacket right away or are they hoping that no other complaints are reported ?

It is a show-stopper for me at this time.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:41 AM   #618
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Are they going to address this at all and improve the jacket right away or are they hoping that no other complaints are reported ?

It is a show-stopper for me at this time.
I've never had a problem with the vents leaking. Yes, I'm usually in San Diego but I ride throughout the state for work. I've ridden through some toad chokers with no leakage. YMMV
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:04 AM   #619
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Are they going to address this at all and improve the jacket right away or are they hoping that no other complaints are reported ?

It is a show-stopper for me at this time.
I live in St. John's, NL. One of the rainiest and windiest places there is. I have not had a leak yet (fingers crossed ). I am really careful about setting all the vent zippers up into the zipper garages, when not in use.

I am also liking the badlands collar. I am able cinch down over my collared dress shirts (commuting to the office) and haven't had a soaked collar yet. I use in conjunction with my Shoei Hornet with the chin spoiler and the reduced turbulence around the neck helps I think.
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:28 PM   #620
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Id like to ask those Guys who own BDP jacket, do you experience any difficulties putting gloves under the sleeves of the jacket? Do wrist gators make it difficult?


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Old 05-08-2013, 04:02 PM   #621
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Id like to ask those Guys who own BDP jacket, do you experience any difficulties putting gloves under the sleeves of the jacket? Do wrist gators make it difficult?


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I wear Revit Comet gloves year round and do not have a problem with the cuff. They have a mini gauntlet.
In the winter, I use the thumb hole, summer I push the the gator back up the sleeve. I briefly had a pair of heated W&S gloves with a large gauntlet and I had a hard time putting them over the cuff, but that was no fault of the gator.
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:08 PM   #622
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just put your hand all the way through and don't put your thumb through the little hole in the sleeve. Just put your complete hand through the big hole no problems with gloves fitting insdie the sleeve,
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:36 PM   #623
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Why would you want your glove inside you sleeve? Gauntlet style gloves are clearly superior in warmth and waterproofness. Is it a cool factor? There are gauntlet style gloves out there that don't look like Robert E Lee wore them.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:10 PM   #624
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Why would you want your glove inside you sleeve? Gauntlet style gloves are clearly superior in warmth and waterproofness. Is it a cool factor? There are gauntlet style gloves out there that don't look like Robert E Lee wore them.
Hmm... last gauntlets gloves I wore the water would drip down my sleeves and into the gloves.

With the badlands I use shorter cuff Rukka Vauhuti's worn over the Badlands wrist gator (I don't loop the thumbs... I just tuck them into the gloves) and cinch the sleeve cuff over the glove cuff. keeps the wind and rain out perfectly.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:17 PM   #625
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Id like to ask those Guys who own BDP jacket, do you experience any difficulties putting gloves under the sleeves of the jacket? Do wrist gators make it difficult?


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This is my first jacket that doesn't have a zipper at the end of the sleeves, and I've noticed that getting my gauntlets under the sleeves is more difficult because of it, but not terrible. I wish they would have included a zipper with a gusset at the end of the sleeves to facilitate putting gloves under more easily.

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Why would you want your glove inside you sleeve? Gauntlet style gloves are clearly superior in warmth and waterproofness. Is it a cool factor? There are gauntlet style gloves out there that don't look like Robert E Lee wore them.
Superior in warmth, yes, at least that's been my experience. However, sometimes you don't want warmth... like when it's warm out. It's nice to have the air blow down your sleeves in warm weather. If you wear a glove with the gauntlet over the sleeves in the rain, the water will run down into your gloves when you are stopped, unless you make a concerted effort to keep your hands raised.

The only time that I wear the gauntlets over the sleeves is when I ride in the winter.

I never even thought about one way being cooler than the next.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:52 PM   #626
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Why would you want your glove inside you sleeve? Gauntlet style gloves are clearly superior in warmth and waterproofness. Is it a cool factor? There are gauntlet style gloves out there that don't look like Robert E Lee wore them.
My gloves aren't exactly made to be worn over the cuffs and I prefer to have let air up my sleeves during the summer. The gator blocks wind in the winter.



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Old 05-08-2013, 07:56 PM   #627
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Finally bit the bullet and got my gear. First up is a big thanks to all those here I annoyed with stupid questions. Next thanks is to Amy from MX1West - great service and a really good deal with the Lyndon Poskitt discount.

Here's what I got to play with.





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I don't think it's as stiff or heavy as folks have made out. Size wise I'mm pretty happy with the XL but wish I could have tried the L for comparison. As expected the sleeves are too long even for my neanderthal build but better too long than too short. The 38 pants are a bit snug in the waist but I expected that when I ordered and considering I'm shrinking gut wise they will be fine soon. Surprisingly the legs are a great fit for my ex footballer thighs - I often need to size up the waist to give me enough room in the leg.

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Old 05-09-2013, 01:55 PM   #628
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Why would you want your glove inside you sleeve?
Water does not drop down to settle inside your glove (and there is A LOT of rain here in Ireland)
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:52 PM   #629
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Id like to ask those Guys who own BDP jacket, do you experience any difficulties putting gloves under the sleeves of the jacket? Do wrist gators make it difficult?


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I cut the gators out of mine. In San Diego they reduce the airflow up the sleeves which is essential for cooling.
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:53 PM   #630
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I live in St. John's, NL. One of the rainiest and windiest places there is. I have not had a leak yet (fingers crossed ). I am really careful about setting all the vent zippers up into the zipper garages, when not in use.
My concern is the impact of wear because of the "open and shut" effect on those zippers and the fact that they are exposed. As demonstrated by the experience of the inmates that were fitted with the modifications, having a "storm cover" seems like a good addition. In this price range, there must be some redundancy and no single point of failure. I wonder if the mods impacted significantly on the ability to generate airflow when those vents were opened during warmer days.

Our Canadian climate, as demonstrated by last June's data for example, will see 35C on a sunny day and very soon after (when leaving the campsite after taking down the wet tent) in the early morning, it will be 8C and raining all day... During an average 9 month riding season in eastern Canada, we have ridden through a range of -3 to 35C. Not an easy task to aim for a single jacket and pants combo solution.

The requirements are in essence: protection, breathability, waterproof, but all that must come with excellent airflow when we can afford/must ride with "vents open".

It seems like the Badland is very close but I am not yet convinced to spend that much to potentially experience leakage. I have spent so much time experiencing the Canadian weather having worked outside a lot that I know how difficult it can be to develop an 80% solution for our climate.

Thanks to thread like this one, we can get very good feedback.
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