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Old 05-17-2013, 06:47 AM   #35566
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I wonder if there's a normal nut with dog-earred washer that will fit the WR-R spline that can replace this system???
Red Loctite doesn't work on this nut?

Oh, I bought a breaker bar and had a friend help, and I was still unable to remove it. I have a friend here who works @ the dealer - they're going to take it off for me for $15. I was planning on the Loctite upon reinstalling.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:55 AM   #35567
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...what gearing you planning on running Utah?
I'd stear away from a 12T counter, but that's just me.
I have one if anyone needs it amongst a couple other rears.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:56 AM   #35568
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...what gearing you planning on running Utah?
I'd stear away from a 12T counter, but that's just me.
I have one if anyone needs it amongst a couple other rears.
ATM it's 13x50 - 14 is what I want to get on there.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:57 AM   #35569
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Red Loctite doesn't work on this nut?

Oh, I bought a breaker bar and had a friend help, and I was still unable to remove it. I have a friend here who works @ the dealer - they're going to take it off for me for $15. I was planning on the Loctite upon reinstalling.
First time to remove mine required an impact driver (be sure tranny is in neutral). It had a green thread locker, not sure of brand. I use the blue stuff now.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:02 AM   #35570
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I'd stear away from a 12T counter, but that's just me.
I have one if anyone needs it amongst a couple other rears.
I used a 12T CS with with stock 43T rear for about 2K miles... chewed up and spit out the rubber swing arm guard. Now running 13/47 (approximately same final drive ratio) and the swing arm guard is fine.

And I do keep the chain adjusted.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:12 AM   #35571
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ATM it's 13x50 - 14 is what I want to get on there.
You might not like the 14/50 combo, it's so close to the stock gearing, not enough bike umph to push it. I just put my 13 on and the bike is faster all around. I'm running a tall tire too. Circumference on the new soon to be used tire is just over 2100mm
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:15 AM   #35572
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You might not like the 14/50 combo, it's so close to the stock gearing, not enough bike umph to push it. I just put my 13 on and the bike is faster all around. I'm running a tall tire too. Circumference on the new soon to be used tire is just over 2100mm
Sounds good - guess I'll just button it up then and do some riding.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:59 AM   #35573
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I always use blue thread locker on the counter-shaft nut and never had one come loose , the peening the nut with a hammer doesn't work well and its a pain anyway.

i do place a line of paint from the nut to the sprocket so i can see if it has moved.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:10 AM   #35574
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Buy an extra nut or 2, if you're going to do frequent swaps; the peening will take its toll.
Thanks wouldn't have thought about that, until I needed it.

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I always use blue thread locker on the counter-shaft nut and never had one come loose , the peening the nut with a hammer doesn't work well and its a pain anyway.

i do place a line of paint from the nut to the sprocket so i can see if it has moved.
I was looking to use blue, so thanks for confirming.

Anyone know off hand the pounds of torque required for the CS nut?

Thanks.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:13 AM   #35575
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Thanks wouldn't have thought about that, until I needed it.



I was looking to use blue, so thanks for confirming.

Anyone know off hand the pounds of torque required for the CS nut?

Thanks.
You can find that here in the WRR Data, Specs, and How-To thread.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:21 AM   #35576
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You might not like the 14/50 combo, it's so close to the stock gearing, not enough bike umph to push it. I just put my 13 on and the bike is faster all around. I'm running a tall tire too. Circumference on the new soon to be used tire is just over 2100mm
14/50 is 3.57:1 while factory stock 13/43 is 3.31:1 which is quite a difference. You aren't seeing it due to your tall rear tire, which takes the ratio the other way. For example, 13/50 (3.85) gearing feels more like 13/46 (3.54) when you change from a stock rear tire to a tall MT-43. Hence, your preference for a 13 tooth CS and 13/50 with a tall rear.



I've been keeping a survey of all gearing comments on this Mega Thread:
  • For mixed riding, the overall consensus is that 14/48 (3.43) to 14/50 (3.57) are the best overall (112 link chain).
  • You can get similar results from 13/45 to 13/46 (110 link chain) [13/47 best with 112 link chain?].
  • For heavier off-road, 13/47 (3.62) to 13/50 (3.85) fits the bill (112 link chain); so just change the CS down one tooth. If you really like 14 up front, 14/52 works (3.71) [not sure about chain length for 52 tooth rear sprocket].
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:47 AM   #35577
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Exactly. And with my 14/50 combo with a fresh Mitas stone eater, it lacks in power, maxes out at approx 122 kms/hr get Ono a good head wind, good luck maintaining 100kms. Uphill about the same. Now changed to 13 front and bike will easily pull 125 constant hit 134 last night with this combo on gravel. I am thinking I want 52 rear to match the 14 but not sure if a 52 will fit with the lower chain guide in place?

I have been playing with my gearing for the last year finding what I like and don't like and was just recently introduced to gearing commander and that is making my life much easier. I already know what gears I have I like with certain tire so now I try to get as close to that with a 14 front to try and save my swing arm this summer. So far 14/50 doesn't work for me, still too high geared.

I've got and tried just about every combo with the following gears 12,13,14. & 43,47,48,50. Just got the 50 so haven't tried 12/50 but that would just be stupid low gearing.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:51 AM   #35578
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I've got and tried just about every combo with the following gears 12,13,14. & 43,47,48,50. Just got the 50 so haven't tried 12/50 but that would just be stupid low gearing.
Please keep posting your thoughts as you go through your changes
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:00 PM   #35579
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Fwiw...

My 13/47 gearing with FMF, airbox opened, etc. and running the larger MT43 tire feels just about right for me as a true dual sport bike. It fades just a bit on long uphills on the road (but I can gear down to fifth and always maintain 70 mph if I want). Off road low gear is already very low and second has plenty of power to wheelie over mud puddles and small obstacles. Any lower gearing, for me, would be a real nuisance on the street as maintaining a decent speed would be pretty buzzy.

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Old 05-17-2013, 12:30 PM   #35580
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My 13/47 gearing with FMF, airbox opened, etc. and running the larger MT43 tire feels just about right for me as a true dual sport bike. It fades just a bit on long uphills on the road (but I can gear down to fifth and always maintain 70 mph if I want). Off road low gear is already very low and second has plenty of power to wheelie over mud puddles and small obstacles. Any lower gearing, for me, would be a real nuisance on the street as maintaining a decent speed would be pretty buzzy.

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Yeah! My new to me 08 has 13/47 and a new MT43 waiting for the deathwings to either wear out or for me to lose my patience with it. Seems OK for street and light gravel, but I'm starting to fondle the MT43/IRC combo waiting in the shadows...
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