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Old 05-20-2013, 07:14 PM   #31
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It is much easier to take out a radiator than a person. Most cars will stop almost immediately without coolant.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:19 PM   #32
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huh?
I think he was inferring that most people who can afford a $25k brand new BMW tend to be responsible riders.


I also suspect there wasn't much the rider could have done to avoid this. An M3 , while not as fast as a bike is still a damn fast car. On that bridge, which I have crossed 100's of times, you really can't open it up to get away.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:26 PM   #33
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I think he was inferring that most people who can afford a $25k brand new BMW tend to be responsible riders.


I also suspect there wasn't much the rider could have done to avoid this. An M3 , while not as fast as a bike is still a damn fast car. On that bridge, which I have crossed 100's of times, you really can't open it up to get away.

well, that inference is a stretch. plenty of dumb people with big money.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:34 PM   #34
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I know for a fact that a well driven M3 is nothing to be trifled with. John Hopkins had his way with me in one on Highland Valley Rd. while I was trying to dog him hard on my 2007 RT. I was flat outgunned that day.

I didn't know it was Hopper until our local riding club had him as a guest speaker. That was good fun, but I don't take encounters with car drivers lightly despite that most aren't skilled racers.

BTW, wasn't the bike an FJR?
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:40 PM   #35
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I know for a fact that a well driven M3 is nothing to be trifled with. John Hopkins had his way with me in one on Highland Valley Rd. while I was trying to dog him hard on my 2007 RT. I was flat outgunned that day.

I didn't know it was Hopper until our local riding club had him as a guest speaker. That was good fun, but I don't take encounters with car drivers lightly despite that most aren't skilled racers.

BTW, wasn't the bike an FJR?

Not if you'd written, 2007 R1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as deleted video is concerned, it's never really deleted, right? If someone with the knowhow gets ahold of the hard drive in that camera, it's still in there somewhere.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:21 PM   #36
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Turns out the driver had a criminal and psychological history:

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:34 PM   #37
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the whole "car vs. bike" thing has long been answered.

it's as much about the performance of the vehicles as the type of track/roadway.

wherever the track/roadway requires combination of braking/accel AND steering inputs at the SAME TIME...a car will almost always outperform a bike. having four wheels allows more room for error, and consequently more at-the-limit time spent. that's why you never see skidpad figures for a bike, for when the bike reaches the limit...the rider is off and the bike is totaled.

whenever the course allows these two things to be separated...a bike will CRUSH a car through sheer power to weight and weight-vs.-contact patch advantage.

just a function of the way the vehicles operate.

moral of the story, don't mess with a car on tight/twisty roads. they have more room for error and will stay on you. if it's turns PLUS long straights in between them...have at it. they'll never catch you blasting out of the turns.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:34 PM   #38
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I think he was inferring that most people who can afford a $25k brand new BMW tend to be responsible riders.
Yes, he was.

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I also suspect there wasn't much the rider could have done to avoid this. An M3 , while not as fast as a bike is still a damn fast car. On that bridge, which I have crossed 100's of times, you really can't open it up to get away.
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:58 AM   #39
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Turns out the driver had a criminal and psychological history:

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Doesn't surprise me.

We all get mad sometimes. Some of us have even committed acts of road rage like breaking mirrors etc. But to actually try to kill someone takes a special breed.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:53 AM   #40
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John Hopkins had his way with me in one on Highland Valley Rd.
I have nothing to add except.....
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:46 AM   #41
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as deleted video is concerned, it's never really deleted, right? If someone with the knowhow gets ahold of the hard drive in that camera, it's still in there somewhere.
maybe, maybe not. if it is just marked as deleted, but has not been overwritten, it can usually be recovered. however, if the card memory space where the video was stored is overwritten by new video, then no.

so, it is unlikely that someone could go back and recover, say, video from last week if you have been recording and deleting your commute every day as the memory space where it was stored has most likely been overwritten.

if you intentionally always fill the entire card (leave the video running after getting home until the card is full) before deleting, then you pretty much guarantee stuff is overwritten.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:55 AM   #42
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:01 AM   #43
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moral of the story, don't mess with a car on tight/twisty roads. they have more room for error and will stay on you. if it's turns PLUS long straights in between them...have at it. they'll never catch you blasting out of the turns.
Not if you're on a motard. Its the other way around. The long straghts are where they might catch you. Tight corners, not a chance. Unless it's a skilled driver in a fast car. In which case pissing them off is unlikely (passing them on DY, etc.)
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:30 PM   #45
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Oh for certain, that piece of road-vermin will get some representation to keep his happy-ass out of prison on some pre-conceived notion he wasn't mentally involved in his actions in the car.

When he should go straight to a long stay in a small shared cell where his ass can "dance" wit bubba every night to get his brain straight.
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