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Old 04-12-2011, 05:16 AM   #1
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05 Adv Starting problem - electrical

Hope you guys might be able to give me a pointer on a starting problem with my 05 950 Adv before I give up and go to the dealer.

Hitting the starter button - nothing at all, lights ok etc, battery ok.

Shorting the the starter solinoid and she fires up fine, so its not starter has enough power at the starter etc.

12v coming out of the ignition fuse. (tried the bypass ignition trick etc)

I have bypassed all of the safety cut offs (kick stand, kill switch, clutch), clicking can be heard on the relays behind the console.

On the two start relays behind the console, second relay (the right hand one I do get a voltage change (on the red wire when the start button is depressed but it only goes from 0 to .02) the r/w wire has a constant .02 volts. So looks like the relays are connecting.

I've put a volt meter on the starter solinoid by the battery (the two futherest away from terminals r/w's wire both have 12v, the brown and r/w both have 0 volts - with or without button pressed - which I guess is a problem).

Anyone know if I should be seeing more volts at the relays ? I don't know where the wires go from the second relay. If .02 is ok, any ideas whats between the relay and the starter solinoid that might be u/s ?

Thanks for any advice - Posted same over on ktmforum.co.uk, apologies if you've read this twice.

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Old 04-12-2011, 05:38 AM   #2
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I'd pull both relays and check, first relay is closed by ignition switch which closes the starter relay.

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Old 04-12-2011, 07:19 AM   #3
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thanks

thanks for the diagram.

I've pulled both those relays and they are fine, also pulled the two diodes and they are ok aswell - also pulled the starter relay and thats ok aswell. I'm not getting any current through close the starter relay. Ignition is ok short the starter and it runs - can only think its a lose connection somewhere ? Wot I don't understand is that there isn't 12v at the starter relay or anywhere else I can only find .2
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:25 AM   #4
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So it must be the ignition or starter button. Have you tried a live to the relay bypassing the ignition switch? With ignition on that it.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:53 AM   #5
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Blowing a fuse in the midst of this has helped...

The relays both connect, I can hold them and feel it, flick the cut off and they open again, both have 12v.

I've had the start button apart (twice now - seems like the last place) and shorted that aswell just to be sure, still no joy.

I can't see from the digram where the starter button comes into play ? creates a circuit but where ? Got be something to do with the starter.

The relays both connect, I can hold them and feel it, flick the cut off and they open again.

thanks again.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:03 AM   #6
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got it...

Thanks for your help.

Suggestion over on ktmforum for a lose connection under the ignition - gave it a wiggle and bingo have to have a look later.

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Old 04-12-2011, 09:27 AM   #7
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Thanks for your help.

Suggestion over on ktmforum for a lose connection under the ignition - gave it a wiggle and bingo have to have a look later.

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seems to be a common problem...
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:51 AM   #8
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Thanks for your help.

Suggestion over on ktmforum for a lose connection under the ignition - gave it a wiggle and bingo have to have a look later.

Cheers
Yeup.

The combination of all the rough use, and the vibrations for the engine results in a lot of loose connections.

Fortunately the wiring in these bikes is pretty simple compared to some other bikes I have owned.

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Old 05-28-2013, 11:48 AM   #9
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I just found this thread, as I am having the same issue.....resurrecting, as some of these replies were appreciated.

My thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post21509407


I did jiggle the ignition wiring, but I did not have any success.

I still need to check the two start relays, which I haven't had time to dig in to.



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Old 05-28-2013, 12:00 PM   #10
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update to original

Bad of me for not updating the thread, apologies,

In the end I traced the fault to a short on the ignition wire. The wiring looming that served the ignition was damaged. The insulating cover was chewed and a couple of strands of wires, touched....sometimes....have a real good look at the wiring loom and ignition wire for damage.

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I just found this thread, as I am having the same issue.....resurrecting, as some of these replies were appreciated.

My thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post21509407


I did jiggle the ignition wiring, but I did not have any success.

I still need to check the two start relays, which I haven't had time to dig in to.



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