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Old 05-27-2013, 07:38 AM   #1
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Racers: give me some insight on this MotoGP footage

2012 Stoner vs. Rossi at Le Mans
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Is Stoner's bike that much slower in the corners here than Rossi's? I wonder why it is Rossi can run up his arse ever corner, is Stoner checking him up on purpose?

Then, once he get's round, the Ducati seems to walk away with no trouble.

Is it the rain? One thing I love about MotoGP and F1, etc is how they race in the rain (NASCRAP might be worth watching if this were the case).

Is it a strategy of Rossi's to pass even though he knows it won't stick, just to get in the head of Stoner?

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Old 05-27-2013, 11:05 AM   #2
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Old 05-27-2013, 12:19 PM   #3
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Is it a strategy of Rossi's to pass even though he knows it won't stick, just to get in the head of Stoner?
I don't think there is a strategy really, both Rossi or Stoner will allways pass if there is a chance.

Do NOT compare F1 or Nascar to MotoGP.

If you have not seen these before... Laguna 08 (Stoner vs Rossi) and Japan 2010 (Rossi vs Jorge) are good battles too.
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:19 PM   #5
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Rossi is just taking different lines attempting a sort-of block pass. And, yes its partly because of the rain.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:30 PM   #6
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Is the Ducati really that much faster?
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No strategies here. Last laps of a wet race, very difficult tire management. Two very gifted racers. From both of them it was a "110%" task, a make it or break it situation.
Usually wet races tends to level the field a little, and Le Mans is one of the few (or the only?) circuit favourable to the Ducati, otherwise slower in every other race. Also if I recall correctly at that time Stoner was not very happy with how the new Bridgestones were affecting the behaviour of his Honda, so probably in the end he managed to get a good third place for the championship instead of a more probable crash trying to keep up with Rossi.
Here's an interview of Stoner after that race from crash.net site
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:36 PM   #8
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Is the Ducati really that much faster?
I didn't watch, but if I recall correctly, Stoner's tire was toast while Vale's was still working well. The Duc goes better in the wet than it does in the dry and it goes better at LeMans than it does at most other tracks.
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I didn't watch, but if I recall correctly, Stoner's tire was toast while Vale's was still working well. The Duc goes better in the wet than it does in the dry and it goes better at LeMans than it does at most other tracks.
+1 on this. 2012 Le Mans was interesting to watch, but it only told you that Honda messed up their tire choice and Rossi and Ducati are awesome in the wet at Le Mans. Comparing apples and oranges there.
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Anyone notice Rossi doesn't drop the left leg when he wants to go fast?
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No strategies here. Last laps of a wet race, very difficult tire management. Two very gifted racers. From both of them it was a "110%" task, a make it or break it situation.
Usually wet races tends to level the field a little, and Le Mans is one of the few (or the only?) circuit favourable to the Ducati, otherwise slower in every other race. Also if I recall correctly at that time Stoner was not very happy with how the new Bridgestones were affecting the behaviour of his Honda, so probably in the end he managed to get a good third place for the championship instead of a more probable crash trying to keep up with Rossi.
Here's an interview of Stoner after that race from crash.net site

Thank you very much for that. I rewatched it and you're insights seem spot on. I appreciate it. The interview cleared it all up. Tire management seems paramount.

What's traction control like on these bikes? Since I've never experienced it on a motorbike or a cage, what happens when your tire is shot? It can't spin, so the bike is just slow as the power is cut?
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:52 AM   #12
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Actually I do not know how it really works at that level. Looking at the slo-mo shots during practice it looks like their rear tire spins quite often, but then it is just for a few milliseconds....
To me the best way to describe how power management works in MotoGP is through this post on the MotoGP thread from inmate Kropotkin:
http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....postcount=2551
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