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Old 05-30-2013, 05:51 PM   #2446
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The Honda CRF450x has not changed much in 6 years!
Why should they change it?? The sell the shit out of them.
and the CRF450r has been a big pile of shit !! for many years.
Honda are a car company now...

They also make some road bikes I hear.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:15 PM   #2447
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personally, i'm excited to see more manufacturers doing more than just making bikes (ie: shopping for the best riders) & competing for the title; not just to place, but compete for the win. also, yamaha did a wonderful job having the old school crossover promotion with peterhansel; pretty epic.

so Yamaha build a bike and put money on a rider finally, where was this kind of help for poor Jonah Street when he needed them? Not sure where and what he is doing anymore but hay I would vote for him as a water carrier for CDP .
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:55 PM   #2448
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I think Speedbrain continues in good hands with a good bike. I hear they have plenty of Speedbrain (not Husky Italy) developed motors for the foreseeable future. Barreda's demands to Honda were Paulo, Wolfgang, Joan's Physio, engineer, and mechanic. Honda agreed as Japan was keen on him running HRC colors.

I don't believe they will run any trucks, equipment, etc. with Speedbrain branding. This is an HRC effort. Joan and Paulo are now HRC riders. HRC simply co-opted some SB experience and structure to run things similar to how HRC co-opted Henk and the HT Rally Raid effort, it's just now switched to SB.

Speedbrain will continue as a separate entity with their bikes and equipment. Development on the Speedbrain 450 Rally continues as normal, the concentration just shifts to customer packages unless, of course another manufacturer comes knocking, then I am sure the minds would be open.
It seems a massive concession on both sides, Honda on the cash and speedbrain on the bike. For JBB it must have been some offer, his ego must be somewhere up in the clouds at the moment? the total package for one rider must be enormous and they couldn't do a deal with Cyril? There is more to this story that we will probably never know.?

or have our friends just eradicated one of the opposition 7 months before the start
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:25 AM   #2449
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Not really sure where the confusion lies. Hasn't KTM essentially run this way, successfully for years? Coma and Despres were KTM riders but had their own dedicated staff, structure, and branding within KTM and the two did not cross over too much during the rally. As I understand, HRC will run in a very similar fashion. All 5 riders will be team mates but both sides will have their dedicated structures, one of which has been, in a sense, contracted to Speedbrain.

Did Honda essentially remove Speedbrain as competitors? Perhaps, but Speedbrain have proven themselves capable of producing a winning bike and a winning structure so I see it as Honda finally admitting to themselves that perhaps it's better to acquire experience rather than trying to accumulate it all internally.

Now I'm sure big money changed hands, so why a deal could not be made with Cyril is unknown as I certainly don't expect that Yamaha produced a better deal. Perhaps the ASO has kicked in a chunk as they realize that their package is better when Cyril is included than without him. I don't know.

One of the long standing rumors is that Cyril will be expected to win wherever he goes and if he doesn't, it highlights deficiencies in the equipment. I have heard from several high sources that HRC was a little gun shy of not being able to give Cyril a winning bike. If any of the new HRC riders don't win it doesn't necessarily point to the bike as the fault. If Cyril doesn't win, it may. It's a plausible theory, but fundamentally, I cannot wrap my head around a team shying away from the best talent available in order to shield a potentially inferior platform.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:34 AM   #2450
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Must be budget related on HRC's side imho. Honda wants to increase their chances, Barreda brings sponsorship (Monster) and a team that is ready to go and of higher spec then Henk Hellegers outfit. I dont think much more Honda money went Speedbrains way then Barreda's salary and a few bikes.
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Old 05-31-2013, 05:36 AM   #2451
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Speedbrain, Ready for Sardegna Rally Race : From FB
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Old 05-31-2013, 05:47 AM   #2452
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The Sardegna bike is a CRF, right? The weld on the upper side of the frame rail looks a bit more angular than a production frame. HRC unobtanium?
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Old 05-31-2013, 06:00 AM   #2453
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Paulo: Good folks! I'm returning to Honda! Yesterday was the presentation, but only from July is that officially start in the competition. I count on your support in this new challenge! Hugs (Translated by Bing)


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Old 05-31-2013, 09:34 AM   #2455
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Paulo: Good folks! I'm returning to Honda!
It was Paulo's 2006 and 2007 XR650R's that made me a fan of his. At the time, I recall thinking it was one of the few aside from the KTM's that looked like proper rally bikes and not just a mocked up kit.

That Repsol livery looked the business too.

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Old 05-31-2013, 10:13 AM   #2456
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:11 AM   #2457
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First publicised interview after the press conference and some honest thoughts from a young man going places

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Old 05-31-2013, 12:29 PM   #2458
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First publicised interview after the press conference and some honest thoughts from a young man going places
Great interview. Interesting to hear he is headed to the US for training again so soon. But I have to say, MCN, you couldn't find a more appropriate photo of Sam than the Bel-Ray one?

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Old 05-31-2013, 01:32 PM   #2459
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It was Paulo's 2006 and 2007 XR650R's that made me a fan of his. At the time, I recall thinking it was one of the few aside from the KTM's that looked like proper rally bikes and not just a mocked up kit.

That Repsol livery looked the business too.

CRF450! Made in Portugal :)
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CRF450! Made in Portugal :)
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