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Old 06-04-2013, 10:15 AM   #61
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hey there doyle

are there any photos yet of the new HRC450X Rallye at this rally?
As I understand it, Helder and Paulo are using CRF450R's for this rally, not the usual X based bike. The weld on the frame seems to back that up as it's decidedly more angular on the R than the X which is more of a rounded weld.

R on the left, X on the right.



But then again, the weld on Paulo's looks completely different as well.



Perhaps it's an older CRF frame?

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Old 06-04-2013, 12:32 PM   #62
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It appears that today has been a tough ride, and that Vogels got Botturi out of trouble twice...
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:49 PM   #63
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get the Beta going again ok then ?
Yes mate. A major transplant job!
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:54 PM   #64
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It appears that today has been a tough ride, and that Vogels got Botturi out of trouble twice...
I concur on that. It was definitely the hardest day yet.

If feeling pretty beaten up tonight. I had a fight with a tree and it won!

Tomorrows stage is 210km. There is a refuel in the middle.

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Old 06-04-2013, 01:26 PM   #65
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It appears that today has been a tough ride, and that Vogels got Botturi out of trouble twice...
Vogels finished the last SS with a 38min gap. Any insights?
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:27 PM   #66
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Yes mate. A major transplant job!
Good to see you got sorted!! Any pics of the tree? :)
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Any pics of the tree? :)
No I was to busy trying to get myself back together to worry about photos.

It was right after a slippery hill climb and I looked down at the roadbook for 1 second to long!
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:08 PM   #68
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I'm just reading here http://www.worldrallyraid.com/blog/2013/06/gio that Vialdoms retired (fainted or something like that) and two Italians had a big frontal crash! Nothing too serious but both (the fast Ciarpaglini and Previsani) taken to the hospital. Botturi had problems twice and twice helpde by Vogels, who then fell down , Despres and Ceci too had a heavy falls
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:29 PM   #69
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I had a fight with a tree and it won!
Ouch!

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Vogels finished the last SS with a 38min gap. Any insights?
In THIS article (in Italian) Botturi described his first special stage as this:
"I was going fast, wait, no, I was going very fast, I was right behind Faria that started 8 minutes before me, but then I got stuck in the wire*. So here comes Vogels, helps me taking it off so I could start again, didn't loose too much time. Problem is that I have probably lost some fuel there and later I had to stop again because I did ran out of it. Again Vogels helped me out."

*Apparently he did a mistake in his navigation and ended on a metallic net, and some wire got stuck in his wheels

It also says that in the second special stage Vogels fell down a slope, luckily with no consequences for him. I think this is the cause for his gap.
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Thanks guys!

Google translate turned all of that in 'Chick peas' for some reason

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It happened all the colors. First of all the front between Glauco Ciarpaglini and Lorenzo Previsani, not serious, but that he had brought both drivers to the hospital by helicopter for tests. Then the fall of Chickpeas, the mess of Botturi, the withdrawal of Jordi Viladoms to illnes
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Well, actually in italian chickpeas are called "ceci", funny "lost in translation" though

Meantime in the official site they said that also Rodrigues ran out of fuel before the end of the first special stage...
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Well, actually in italian chickpeas are called "ceci", funny "lost in translation" though

Meantime in the official site they said that also Rodrigues ran out of fuel before the end of the first special stage...
Helder certainly seems to be learning his lesson the hard way...
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Helder is slowly making his way towards "fuel-gate"...
Seriously, what is with that guy and fuel issues?? .
I hope his luck changes though.

Looks like quite the hard day for everyone.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:59 PM   #74
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Helder is slowly making his way towards "fuel-gate"...
Seriously, what is with that guy and fuel issues?? .
I hope his luck changes though.

Looks like quite the hard day for everyone.
I'm not doubting his bike handling skills, but perhaps his earlier Yamaha performances were more lucky than good and he no longer has that luck?



No one else seems to have quite the problems he has. I wonder how much decision making he has over his strategy and bike set up because little seems to be working for him.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:04 PM   #75
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I'm not doubting his bike handling skills, but perhaps his earlier Yamaha performances were more lucky than good and he no longer has that luck?



No one else seems to have quite the problems he has. I wonder how much decision making he has over his strategy and bike set up because little seems to be working for him.
He does seem to have gone only backwards since his move to HRC. One would have thought that by this time he would be padding his margins with regards to fuel, but as you say he may not have much latitude in that decision making. Sad that he could have such great performances on a near-privateer WR450 but find the works Honda wanting.
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