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Old 06-23-2013, 09:21 AM   #77851
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That's why I moved to AR a few years ago. You have to search long and hard to find a road that is straight for a mile or more.
I will say that the Ozarks do indeed have some of the twistiest (if not the) paved and dirt roads in the country.
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:24 AM   #77852
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I will say that the Ozarks do indeed have some of the twistiest (if not the) paved and dirt roads in the country.
Let's keep that on the DL. Oh wait, ya'll already made a map. Too late!
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:31 AM   #77853
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Greetings and salutations. I mounted a pair of D606's to my 2011 DR and threw the Trailwings in the corner. I went for a ride yesterday, and at 55 mph. on the freeway the bike felt VERY unstable. 28psi front 26 psi rear (35 psi @ max load described on tire). The Trail wings were stable on road and slippery off. I had a 180 mi. day yesterday with 40 on freeway the rest on fire roads. Off road the bike felt more stable standing up, and twitchy seated. Bumps at freeway speeds (on freeway) would induce a wobble and I would never want to ride without both hands gripped. I would prefer this style of riding
So, should I pull the front and re-check the balance? Re-pressurize at a different value, check the forks? (I did buy the DR new from a Dealer but the front turn signals were wired wrong and the headlamp not plugged in so I am not sure if there was an issue at the time I bought it.) The front end has seemed fine before I mounted these 606's. Thanks in advance for insight o' knowledgable ones.
I'll likely never be described as knowledgable but I do have my 2008 DR650 Owner's Manual. It says:

.......Solo....Dual
Front 22psi 25psi

Rear 25psi 29psi

I'd try that first.

Are the forks in there stock position? Could someone have tried lowering the bike and not completed or done it correctly? I doubt that's an issue because you said it was fine with the other tires.

Are the beads set completely in the rims?
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:46 AM   #77854
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I run 80/20 tires (Shinko 705's), but even with the Trailwings I found the pressures in the DR650 manual, or on the swingarm, were too low for my tastes (185 lbs).

I run my front at 30 or 32 psi, and my rear at 28 psi for solo street riding (and no luggage).

22 psi for the front, for solo work, is better for actual dual-sporting and off-road riding, but 95% of my time is spent on the pavement.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:56 AM   #77855
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I run about 18 - 20 psi, night or day, on road or off. I'm running Pirelli MT21 front and rear. They are stable to about 75 - 80 mph indicated. I think your pressure is just a bit high, just a few psi probably, and it may take a bit of getting used to because your tires aren't street tires like the Trailwings.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:44 PM   #77856
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...and it may take a bit of getting used to because you're tires aren't street tires like the Trailwings.
+1

The 606s will get better with a few miles on them but they won't EVER feel like street tires on pavement. They do work pretty well off tho. Tires, seats, windscreens and oil seem to elicit lot of personal opinions. Here's mine. I like the Duro HF904 as a compromise rear ... good balance of on/off performance and excellent wear life. On the front I like the IRC GP-1 (70/30) or the IRC TR-8 (30/70). Not really optimum for deep mud or sugar sand but then nothing is short of a real knobbies.
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Old 06-23-2013, 01:51 PM   #77857
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I mounted D606's last year replacing a worn TW front and a worn Kenda rear. I started with factory pressures and thought the stability was much worse over about 60-65 mph. But after about 1800 miles the tires are pretty worn, but I'm used to them, and feel comfortable up to about a true 75. At that speed, wind and vibration start bothering me anyway, so I just chill and keep the speed down. I've tried higher and lower pressures but didn't see much difference. I think you'll get used to it ... the 606's are much better in the dirt than a milder tire and they seem to stick just fine on pavement, dry at least.

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Old 06-23-2013, 01:57 PM   #77858
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Greetings and salutations. I mounted a pair of D606's to my 2011 DR and threw the Trailwings in the corner. I went for a ride yesterday, and at 55 mph. on the freeway the bike felt VERY unstable. 28psi front 26 psi rear (35 psi @ max load described on tire). The Trail wings were stable on road and slippery off. I had a 180 mi. day yesterday with 40 on freeway the rest on fire roads. Off road the bike felt more stable standing up, and twitchy seated. Bumps at freeway speeds (on freeway) would induce a wobble and I would never want to ride without both hands gripped. I would prefer this style of riding
So, should I pull the front and re-check the balance? Re-pressurize at a different value, check the forks? (I did buy the DR new from a Dealer but the front turn signals were wired wrong and the headlamp not plugged in so I am not sure if there was an issue at the time I bought it.) The front end has seemed fine before I mounted these 606's. Thanks in advance for insight o' knowledgable ones.
Adjust tire pressure to values in manual. Experiment from there.

Make sure that the forks aren't slid up in the clamps.

Adjust sag/preload to values in manual. Experiment from there.

Orient tires on rims for best balance, then add Ride-On or Dynabeads.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:03 PM   #77859
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I do. Why limit yourself to one bike?
I have more than one, but I typically ride only one of them at a time.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:05 PM   #77860
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I have more than one, but I typically ride only one of them at a time.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:19 PM   #77861
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Let's keep that on the DL. Oh wait, ya'll already made a map. Too late!
just trying to send all the Ozark tourist biz some action your way.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:24 PM   #77862
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I have more than one, but I typically ride only one of them at a time.
In my "formative" years, having two meant assessing which one was rideable and which would remain in a state of disrepair. Once both were inop, the easiest to fix would win. At some point I realized that my definition of "rideable" was beginning to include issues such as no brakes or lights. That's when I went down to only one bike. On that bike I was pulled over by the cops and first heard the descriptive term "riding without a vehicle".
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:29 PM   #77863
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Adjust tire pressure to values in manual. Experiment from there.

Make sure that the forks aren't slid up in the clamps.

Adjust sag/preload to values in manual. Experiment from there.

Orient tires on rims for best balance, then add Ride-On or Dynabeads.
I know this is subjective but I'm gonna say the problem is the 606 front. I have grown to not like that tire. I started with 606s and didn't know any better. Eventually I read about people talking about low speed almost-washouts and the like with the 606 front and decided to try a 606 rear and an mt21 front. That combo works perfect for me.

Because I can't plan for shit and I'm thousands of miles from home, I buy tires at shops when I need them. All the last shop had for the front was a 606 so I took it- immediately I have the same washouts and such. Its stable for me on the street, and works good in mud, but I hate the 606 front in gravel. Its also directional which sucks because you can't flip the tire to extend its life once you wear off the edges.

As always, ymmv. Others like the 606 front and it may have a bunch to do with your riding style
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:32 PM   #77864
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In my "formative" years, having two meant assessing which one was rideable and which would remain in a state of disrepair. Once both were inop, the easiest to fix would win. At some point I realized that my definition of "rideable" was beginning to include issues such as no brakes or lights. That's when I went down to only one bike. On that bike I was pulled over by the cops and first heard the descriptive term "riding without a vehicle".
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:57 PM   #77865
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I know this is subjective but I'm gonna say the problem is the 606 front. I have grown to not like that tire. I started with 606s and didn't know any better. Eventually I read about people talking about low speed almost-washouts and the like with the 606 front and decided to try a 606 rear and an mt21 front. That combo works perfect for me.

Because I can't plan for shit and I'm thousands of miles from home, I buy tires at shops when I need them. All the last shop had for the front was a 606 so I took it- immediately I have the same washouts and such. Its stable for me on the street, and works good in mud, but I hate the 606 front in gravel. Its also directional which sucks because you can't flip the tire to extend its life once you wear off the edges.

As always, ymmv. Others like the 606 front and it may have a bunch to do with your riding style
I have read so many comments about the 606 as well and I have never added my own. Well, I agree with you and I think the 606 up front is a horrible tire. I am going to leave it at that before someone tells me to STFU.......
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