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Old 06-23-2013, 05:32 PM   #77881
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In my "formative" years, having two meant assessing which one was rideable and which would remain in a state of disrepair. Once both were inop, the easiest to fix would win. At some point I realized that my definition of "rideable" was beginning to include issues such as no brakes or lights. That's when I went down to only one bike. On that bike I was pulled over by the cops and first heard the descriptive term "riding without a vehicle".
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Old 06-23-2013, 05:57 PM   #77882
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I know this is subjective but I'm gonna say the problem is the 606 front. I have grown to not like that tire. I started with 606s and didn't know any better. Eventually I read about people talking about low speed almost-washouts and the like with the 606 front and decided to try a 606 rear and an mt21 front. That combo works perfect for me.

Because I can't plan for shit and I'm thousands of miles from home, I buy tires at shops when I need them. All the last shop had for the front was a 606 so I took it- immediately I have the same washouts and such. Its stable for me on the street, and works good in mud, but I hate the 606 front in gravel. Its also directional which sucks because you can't flip the tire to extend its life once you wear off the edges.

As always, ymmv. Others like the 606 front and it may have a bunch to do with your riding style
I have read so many comments about the 606 as well and I have never added my own. Well, I agree with you and I think the 606 up front is a horrible tire. I am going to leave it at that before someone tells me to STFU.......
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:04 PM   #77883
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I found a new Green DR650 for $4998 in the East Ohio Auto and RV ad paper if anybody is interested
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:10 PM   #77884
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:14 PM   #77885
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I have more than one, but I typically ride only one of them at a time.
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:21 PM   #77886
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New? Green?
It looked green in the pics, it was a new DR650 for $4998
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:33 PM   #77887
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DR650 with 20k miles - Alaska and back?

Looking at buying a clean, well cared for 2003 DR650 with 22,000 miles. Would this be suitable for an Alaska trip "the hard way" - up the Cassiar. Actually I am a Canuck so I would like to take it to Tuktoyaktuk. Anyhoo - lots of gravel.

I dont have mega bucks and this baby is a good price, just not sure if its too old with too many miles.
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:42 PM   #77888
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Looking at buying a clean, well cared for 2003 DR650 with 22,000 miles. Would this be suitable for an Alaska trip "the hard way" - up the Cassiar. Actually I am a Canuck so I would like to take it to Tuktoyaktuk. Anyhoo - lots of gravel.

I dont have mega bucks and this baby is a good price, just not sure if its too old with too many miles.
You never know, but i would trust it, i sold one with 52,000 miles on it, there is one down the road from where i live, i drive by it all the time, it has over 100,000 miles on it, all stock.
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:54 PM   #77889
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Looking at buying a clean, well cared for 2003 DR650 with 22,000 miles. Would this be suitable for an Alaska trip "the hard way" - up the Cassiar. Actually I am a Canuck so I would like to take it to Tuktoyaktuk. Anyhoo - lots of gravel.

I dont have mega bucks and this baby is a good price, just not sure if its too old with too many miles.
Mine's done OK.

Replace the wheel bearings, cush hub bearing (and rubbers), chain, sprockets and ride for another 22k.

You should grease the steering head bearings and the rear suspension linkage pivot bearings and swingarm bearings.

If Cassiar is really the hard way, I'd recommend emulators and springs in the front and a Cogent shock in the rear. It will keep things from shaking themselves to bits on all the washboard you're going to be riding.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:10 PM   #77890
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Looking at buying a clean, well cared for 2003 DR650 with 22,000 miles. Would this be suitable for an Alaska trip "the hard way" - up the Cassiar. Actually I am a Canuck so I would like to take it to Tuktoyaktuk. Anyhoo - lots of gravel.

I dont have mega bucks and this baby is a good price, just not sure if its too old with too many miles.
I'd do it. 22,000 miles is not a lot for a DR.

Mine has 63,000 miles now and I wouldn't hesitate to take it on a trip like that. Make sure your chain and sprockets are fresh and do the 'big service' (new plugs, set valves, etc.) before you go.

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Old 06-23-2013, 08:12 PM   #77891
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Greetings and salutations. I mounted a pair of D606's to my 2011 DR and threw the Trailwings in the corner. I went for a ride yesterday, and at 55 mph. on the freeway the bike felt VERY unstable. 28psi front 26 psi rear (35 psi @ max load described on tire). The Trail wings were stable on road and slippery off. I had a 180 mi. day yesterday with 40 on freeway the rest on fire roads. Off road the bike felt more stable standing up, and twitchy seated. Bumps at freeway speeds (on freeway) would induce a wobble and I would never want to ride without both hands gripped. I would prefer this style of riding
So, should I pull the front and re-check the balance? Re-pressurize at a different value, check the forks? (I did buy the DR new from a Dealer but the front turn signals were wired wrong and the headlamp not plugged in so I am not sure if there was an issue at the time I bought it.) The front end has seemed fine before I mounted these 606's. Thanks in advance for insight o' knowledgable ones.
Greetings Lawnchair!

Have you ever ridden any bike with full knobbies on the freeway?
If not, what you felt is probably normal.

Full knobs really squirm and move around and the faster you go on a paved smooth surface, the scarier it might feel.
NEW knobbies are the worst too.
It is something most of us get used to, but the first time....

The front tire is the worst offender of course.
Holding the bars tight will also make it worse, not better.
The bike needs to be able to move around some to track straight..

This is assuming that the wheels are aligned, the tires are round, etc.

Put your thumb on a knob and push it around.
Now picture that knob and a couple of its neighbors being the only contact with the ground at 55 mph with 200-300 lbs riding on them...

Many riders think they have flat tires the first time they ride fast on a paved road with new knobbies since the bike feels so loose.

Many of us ride on a freeway with a knobbie at times, but it is NOT an ideal front tire for that!

Twitchy front end off road? Probably needs more weight on the front.
The tire needs to be loaded to be effective.

You bought it new and the dealer hadn't set it up correctly?
And the dealers wonder why we don't trust them to work on our bikes?
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:51 PM   #77892
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+1

The 606s will get better with a few miles on them but they won't EVER feel like street tires on pavement. They do work pretty well off tho. Tires, seats, windscreens and oil seem to elicit lot of personal opinions. Here's mine. I like the Duro HF904 as a compromise rear ... good balance of on/off performance and excellent wear life. On the front I like the IRC GP-1 (70/30) or the IRC TR-8 (30/70). Not really optimum for deep mud or sugar sand but then nothing is short of a real knobbies.
Pretty much spot on!
My D606 front scared me too when new and running to much pressure.
Once it's done some miles and been leaned over a bit on pavement, it will improve. I'd try somewhere between 22 and 25 PSI for the front, 25 PSI for the rear D606.

The 50/50 tires mentioned are FAR better road tires. But if going into more serious off road, the D606 is your man. Learn to relax your grip and get used the movement, it's normal.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:54 PM   #77893
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I'd do it. 22,000 miles is not a lot for a DR.

Mine has 63,000 miles now and I wouldn't hesitate to take it on a trip like that. Make sure your chain and sprockets are fresh and do the 'big service' (new plugs, set valves, etc.) before you go.

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PLUS ONE! Not a big deal. Go through the bike and check everything and do appropriate (and affordable) upgrades and hit the road. you'll be fine.
Fresh oil and filters, clean carb, good tires, spare tubes and tools, you should be OK.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:04 PM   #77894
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I have read so many comments about the 606 as well and I have never added my own. Well, I agree with you and I think the 606 up front is a horrible tire. I am going to leave it at that before someone tells me to STFU.......
They will have to tell us both! After 15 straight days of riding and about 2400 miles I switched out my GP1s for a set of 606s. I thought I was going to wreck going straight. This is on gravel roads, NOT PAVEMENT. The 606s want to track around. I tried diffrent pressures with no luck. I put another 3000 miles in 15 more days...they never got better. I could run 15-20mph faster on gravel with the gp1s. No more 606s for this guy.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:08 PM   #77895
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Ok, ill bite. I wouldn't buy one with 22k miles personally. There are too many well cared for ones with less miles less apt to give you issues. Heard of steering head bearings at 40k, some with wheel bearing issues at 25k while others have no issues at 60k, same with rear linkage, etc. How was it ridden? Was it neglected?

I will say its prolly good. I will also say your odds are even better with lower mileage. Mines approaching 22k at this point, though 14k of that has been in the last 2 months and only a cct gasket has failed me..
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