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Old 06-30-2013, 02:45 PM   #1
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Noob Q, kick stand issue, real or theory

New guy question: Is the kick stand issue on the Adv R more theory than application? It reminds me of the chatter about the neutral switch issue oin the DR650. Yres if the neutral switch bolt (1/4 20) comes loose it can grenade your engine but it is rare. The mod is mostly peace of mind. Is that the case with the sidestand upfit?
Black Dog cycle works ad talks about it being an issue on both a side strike or "the weight of the rider resting on the sidestand". I would be surprised if another static 200+ pounds could crack an engine case, but not shocked if a ballistic hit like a crash could. Whats the real story Team Orange?
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:10 PM   #2
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I should just tell you to do some research. But the short answer is you may never have an issue, but if you do it's a major expense. A hard hit to the kick stand will break the cases. Your choice.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:12 PM   #3
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New guy question: Is the kick stand issue on the Adv R more theory than application? It reminds me of the chatter about the neutral switch issue oin the DR650. Yres if the neutral switch bolt (1/4 20) comes loose it can grenade your engine but it is rare. The mod is mostly peace of mind. Is that the case with the sidestand upfit?
Black Dog cycle works ad talks about it being an issue on both a side strike or "the weight of the rider resting on the sidestand". I would be surprised if another static 200+ pounds could crack an engine case, but not shocked if a ballistic hit like a crash could. Whats the real story Team Orange?
If you ride stuff like this:



Just do the relocation. Save yourself $3000 for cases and more $$$ on labor and downtime of a broken moto. If you 50/50 it and don't ride anything with rocks then take your chances. Fwiw, from an engineering stand-point, I would do it regardless. It's cheap insurance man... If it does ever happen you'd be ruing not relocating. I took about 5 hard hits directly to the sidestand spot today. I've relocated though so I didn't even think about it, ;)
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:28 PM   #4
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First, yes, it's an issue. Cases are VERY expensive. Ducati bikes have the exact same problem, and I've seen those cases crack at the mount point as well.

Second, here is how you search the site for things using Google: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aadvr...and+crack+case
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:59 AM   #5
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Very real issue. Lots of pics of broken cases floating around here. I personally have CJ Designs relocate. I like it much better than the BlackDog. Seen pics of the BD cracked floating around here. CJ relocate is rock solid and doesn't require and mods with a grinder
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:22 AM   #6
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Very real issue. Lots of pics of broken cases floating around here. I personally have CJ Designs relocate. I like it much better than the BlackDog. Seen pics of the BD cracked floating around here. CJ relocate is rock solid and doesn't require and mods with a grinder
Does the BDCW require grinding or is it bolt on? I am convinced!!!! Don't need to see more than one cracked case. Relocator and additional skid plate will be first! Thanks KTMers
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:34 AM   #7
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I believe only the early 950s need to have the frame web ground.

You might want to look into the Weld 86 skidplate/relocator combo deal- good price, good quality.



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Old 07-01-2013, 08:34 AM   #8
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Does the BDCW require grinding or is it bolt on? I am convinced!!!! Don't need to see more than one cracked case. Relocator and additional skid plate will be first! Thanks KTMers
The bdcw is bolt on on all 990s. Only a few years of 950s required grinding (2004 and some 2005)
But I much prefer this one:

http://www.cjdesignsllc.com/products...ation-bracket/

I had both fwiw
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:39 AM   #9
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There is a thread right now, "Broke my side stand relocate plate" it was a BlackDog. Plenty of photos of guys having to grind either the frame or notch the bracket. CJ designs relocate kit is very different from the other options I've seen iMO much better. Craig makes really sick stuff for these big girls
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:56 AM   #10
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To BDCW's credit, it looks like the ones that broke were modified.
CJ'S kit was designed by someone else and he took over the product. He did add some improvements in 2012 which made it even better. I have a pre 2012 version and super happy.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:05 AM   #11
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PABiker had a nice relocate set up. I got it, and it works.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:43 AM   #12
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Plenty of photos of guys having to grind either the frame or notch the bracket.
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I could be mistaken, but I really do believe grinding is necessary only on the early bikes.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:05 PM   #13
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I could be mistaken, but I really do believe grinding is necessary only on the early bikes.
Yep, pre June 2005.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:50 PM   #14
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The bdcw is bolt on on all 990s. Only a few years of 950s required grinding (2004 and some 2005)
But I much prefer this one:

http://www.cjdesignsllc.com/products...ation-bracket/

I had both fwiw
Exactly. I've also had both, and prefer CJ's (PA Biker's old design, now improved).
I do have Weld 86's excellent Skidplate, but liked CJ's relocator best.

I also have a welded up BIG ASS HOLE in my engine case because I did not get the relocator soon enough.
Mine didn't crack,....it broke the bolt flange right the fuck off!!





Here's my Side Stand story

BTW, it was a smallish 20 mph fall, in just the right place, not a bonafidee "crash" that did it.




GET the relocator, any relocator

I had a piece of Alu diamond plate welded over the GAPING hole.
It still seeps oil today, but the patch is strong enough and cheaper than a new case. Any thoughts of resale are GONE, however
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:41 AM   #15
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PABiker had a nice relocate set up. I got it, and it works.
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