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Old 07-02-2013, 12:13 PM   #1246
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Spa is the looming monster. You don't want exploding tires at Spa, it doesn't have Silverstone's runoff areas.
And it does have Eau Rouge, which would be a bad spot for a blow out!?!
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:26 PM   #1247
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Lots of interesting things here.

Some teams did resist changing the tires. The rules said it had to be unanimous, so Pirelli were blocked. Hard to blame them for what ensued.

FIA has now changed that, see below.

Watching practice and qualifying, I had noticed that the color circle on the inside of the front tires looked squidgy. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't perfectly round. The explanation is that the teams were running very low pressures and the tires were deforming more than usual. Again, hard to blame Pirelli.

I wasn't aware that teams had swapped sides for tires. Is that a normal practice?

Tires will change twice between now and Spa. That's an enormous change that teams will have to grapple with.

And guess who loses out? Mercedes. They won't be able to test the new stuff at Silverstone. Even worse, the FIA is allowing regular drivers to test the tires in the "young driver test", which makes it a double blow for Mercedes.

Gotta love F1's turmoil. there's always something.


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Previously the rules allowed teams to block Pirelli from changing the tyres but the safety issues raised by six cars suffering tyre deflations at the British GP - and at least two others being found at pit stops to have tyres on the verge of failure - have forced governing body the FIA to intervene.

The FIA announced on Monday evening that it would change the rules to allow the tyre specification to change within the season without the unanimous approval of the teams.

It has also allowed the race drivers to take part in this month's young driver tests to enable Pirelli to do tyre development work.
The 2012 tyres which will be reintroduced for the Hungarian race are different again from the tyres to be used in Germany.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:29 PM   #1248
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Negating the tire controversy, I hear Bernie is working with some Asian companies on a formulation for artificial snow in a bid to "up the show".

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Old 07-02-2013, 12:53 PM   #1249
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I wasn't aware that teams had swapped sides for tires. Is that a normal practice?
Gotta love F1's turmoil. there's always something.
reversing tires explained (or at least discussed)

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Old 07-02-2013, 01:15 PM   #1250
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Spy shot of Pirelli's road test for new F1 tire.

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Old 07-02-2013, 01:29 PM   #1251
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OK.. just one more

where's the Vettel fans?



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Old 07-02-2013, 04:18 PM   #1252
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Looks like the spoiled kid is about to urinate on his wheel
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:27 PM   #1253
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Say what you will bottom line is Pirelli f'ed up, when did we have this problem with Bridgestone and Mercedes did not gain any advantage from the 3 day test, right..
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:28 PM   #1254
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:55 PM   #1255
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Say what you will bottom line is Pirelli f'ed up, when did we have this problem with Bridgestone and Mercedes did not gain any advantage from the 3 day test, right..
Bridgestone wasn't under the orders that Pirelli is. And Michelin managed to screw the pooch at Indy even when allowed to build durable tires. Pirelli look bad, no question, but teams always throw the tire maker under the bus, as if by instinct. They never accept responsibility for their own actions.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:05 PM   #1256
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Bridgestone wasn't under the orders that Pirelli is. And Michelin managed to screw the pooch at Indy even when allowed to build durable tires. Pirelli look bad, no question, but teams always throw the tire maker under the bus, as if by instinct. They never accept responsibility for their own actions.
Ever since Pirelli took over as sole tire manufacture the racing has been all about the tires, I understand they are under orders from the governing bodies but c'mon now enough is enough. The tires suck and the drivers know it. Racing is about going all out not "managing your tires" until the end
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:35 PM   #1257
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All eyes will be on Pirelli at Nurburgring.
Any tire failure there during practice or quali could have serious consequences for the race. I don't think this problem will be sorted out anytime soon. It's about carcass design as much as rubber formula.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:39 PM   #1258
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Ever since Pirelli took over as sole tire manufacture the racing has been all about the tires, I understand they are under orders from the governing bodies but c'mon now enough is enough. The tires suck and the drivers know it. Racing is about going all out not "managing your tires" until the end
Going all out like Alonso did at Barcelona?

F1 has always been all about the tires. Teams endlessly bitch about them, because that way they don't have to blame themselves for their own shortcomings. That's obviously a bit of an exaggeration, but not much of one. Do you not remember the Michelin/Bridgestone days?

Hell, just today I read that even when Mercedes was struggling, they thought their car was perfect, it was the tires that were the problem.

Yes, tires blowing up is a terrible thing every way you look at it. But the piling on that Pirelli have been getting is out of bounds, for me.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:22 AM   #1259
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Some tire statement brilliance from SniffPetrol:

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A series of different causes led to the tyre failures at Silverstone:

- We didnt know the cars would be driving that fast.

- Uneven wear caused by too much turning right.

- The teams repeatedly put new wheels onto the cars too quickly.

- Excessive braking, accelerating and swerving about.

- Extremely sharp leaves on track.

- Failure to proceed to approved Pirelli stockist upon kerbing tyres

- We were asked to make shit tyres. Stop fucking complaining when the tyres are indeed shit.

A FOLLOW UP STATEMENT FROM PAUL HEMBURY
Oh God, Im so sorry. Forget all that, forget I spoke. Its not you, its me.
http://sniffpetrol.com/2013/07/03/th...ement-in-full/
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:29 AM   #1260
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Ever since Pirelli took over as sole tire manufacture the racing has been all about the tires, I understand they are under orders from the governing bodies but c'mon now enough is enough. The tires suck and the drivers know it. Racing is about going all out not "managing your tires" until the end
Racing is not about going all out! Its about being the best at everything. This includes Tire management, fuel management etc. You have to make it to the end and be the 1st one across the line. I would prefer to see better rubber but it is way better than when Slipstone and Micheloss would bring the wrong compound and half the field would be 10 seconds slower than the other half.
Racing is about being smooth and fast.
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