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Old 07-03-2013, 03:39 PM   #1276
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Only to the extent that in F1, it is almost always more about the car than the driver. To the extent that the driver matters in F1 (which is not much overall), I think you do have to ping Alonso for poor qualifying, at least compared to Vettel.

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If Alonso qualified in an RBR in the same positions he does in the Ferrari you might have a point. But Alonso is in a Ferrari and Vettel in an RBR which is really designed to run in clean air, qualify up front and then run away and stay in the clean air.

Really, Newey designed the perfect car for the current regs and Vettel is the perfect driver for that car. How he would fare in another car is just speculation.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:26 PM   #1277
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:19 AM   #1278
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Heads up the race is live on CNBC at 7:30 eastern.
My cable company didn't show any listing for F1 on Sunday except the delayed race on NBC sports.
Too bad we're out of town until Sunday early afternoon. At least I have the dvr set for something....
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:18 PM   #1279
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Heads up the race is live on CNBC at 7:30 eastern.
My cable company didn't show any listing for F1 on Sunday except the delayed race on NBC sports.
Too bad we're out of town until Sunday early afternoon. At least I have the dvr set for something....
Thanks. I'd searched my program listings and it wasn't even shown on that channel. I'm beginning to dread how NBC will screw up the Premier League. Their organization is dismal.
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Old 07-04-2013, 04:16 PM   #1280
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Thanks. I'd searched my program listings and it wasn't even shown on that channel. I'm beginning to dread how NBC will screw up the Premier League. Their organization is dismal.
They're screwing up my outdoor motocross viewing already. The TV listings are sometimes the racetrack's name, sometimes the main sponsor's. only sometimes does the title include 'motocross', or 'moto'.

Not to mention first and second moto coverage is split between NBC, and Fueltv.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:12 PM   #1281
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Statistics can only mislead those who do not understand statistics. I am curious how you concluded my statistics show Alonso to be not so good a driver?
Look at the quote, I didn't say he was a bad driver, quite the opposite, I said he was a better race driver than qualifier. That is why I asked about Senna, he had 41 wins and 65 poles vs. Alain Prost who had 51/33, Senna was a better qualifier, arguably the best ever. Race driving requires planning, strategy, and knowledge, as well as skill, but qualifying is pure car control, the ability to move that car around the course in the shortest possible time. With a "hand grenade" qualifying engine and super sticky, 2 lap qualifying tires, Senna was on another level. And looking at Alonso with 32 wins and 22 poles compared to Vettel with 29/39, shows Vettel the better qualifier and Alonso the better racer.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:48 PM   #1282
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I just don't think you're allowing for the clear superiority of Vettel's machine. I don't believe one can look at the numbers in a vacuum.

There's not a shred of doubt that Vettel is driving a machine custom designed for qualifying and running at the front. It does both those things better than any machine in F1 and has done so for going on 4 years now. You simply must account for that when citing numbers.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:06 AM   #1283
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http://stream.nbcsports.com/f1/index...com/liveextra/

Love the live streaming, HD and no friggin commentary
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:16 AM   #1284
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I just don't think you're allowing for the clear superiority of Vettel's machine. I don't believe one can look at the numbers in a vacuum.
There's not a shred of doubt that Vettel is driving a machine custom designed for qualifying and running at the front. It does both those things better than any machine in F1 and has done so for going on 4 years now. You simply must account for that when citing numbers.
Anybody who wins or gets pole has a great car, I am simply saying certain drivers are better at qualifying or racing and I think those numbers prove it. This has more to do with the particular driver, not the car. Although the Mercedes does have a problem with tire wear this year, making that car a better qualifier, but this is the exception not the rule.
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Old 07-05-2013, 12:46 PM   #1285
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Anybody who wins or gets pole has a great car, I am simply saying certain drivers are better at qualifying or racing and I think those numbers prove it. This has more to do with the particular driver, not the car. Although the Mercedes does have a problem with tire wear this year, making that car a better qualifier, but this is the exception not the rule.
When one car consistently outperforms the others at certain tasks, then you have no choice but to notch down the driver's impact.

I'm not saying that Vettel is a bad driver. I'm saying that in the Red Bull era which we are currently enduring, it's a bad idea to draw any conclusions about the qualifying skills of other drivers. Alonso's 12 poles in '04 and '05 didn't happen by themselves. Since then, other than his brief McLaren fiasco, he has been in mediocre cars.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:18 PM   #1286
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The tire problem is solved.

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:07 PM   #1287
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Looks like it's going to be a Mercedes/Red Bull battle. Ferrari seem to be the third-best team. Forecast is dry, so form will hold.
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:44 AM   #1288
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Alonso starting on hard tires... Massa too.
Could throw a wrench in red bull and Mercedes plans. Kimi and big John look good too
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:38 PM   #1289
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http://stream.nbcsports.com/f1/index...com/liveextra/

Love the live streaming, HD and no friggin commentary
Not Available on DirectV, Tell me again why I pay over $100 per month for Basic Cable. Contracts up in Augest, can't wait to go kick that fucker off my roof.
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:08 PM   #1290
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Rosberg the latest victim of pit road blundering. He doesn't make Q3 while his teammate grabs pole. They park him with 4 minutes left in Q2 and he's 2nd. While he sips a latte in the garage, 9 cars go by him. Ross Brawn's reputation takes a blow.

Funny thing is, with 30 seconds left in Q3, he was still 6th. He was taken out by the final laps of five cars.

Ferrari don't even make an attempt at pole, take Q3 on the intermediate tires.

Practices times suggest that the softs fall off by more than a second a lap after about 10 laps and get progressively worse. But we've seen time and again that certain teams -- Red Bull and Lotus come to mind -- find a way to get more laps than expected out of the softs. So I'm not sure that Ferrari will inherit the lead when the cars which are on intermediates finally pit.
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