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Old 07-03-2013, 08:01 PM   #31
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No dude! You have helped a lot in this discussion.
Years ago I watched a video on hack riding technique, it was a great lesson for me when we started riding our /5 Velorex. I think it was from David Hough?
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:09 PM   #32
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That's it for you Claude you've become a "Dude" no one will ever believe another word you say !!!!!!!
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You better publish a sprint car image, upside down airborne

I googled and found this Dude !
Claude Stanley Choules dies at 110; last known World War I combat veteran
He lied about his age so he could join the British Royal Navy in 1916, two years after the Great War began. He later joined the Royal Australian Navy.
May 06, 2011|Los Angeles Times wire reports

Claude Stanley Choules, the last known combat veteran of World War I, died Thursday at a nursing home in the Western Australia city of Perth, his family said. He was 110.

Beloved for his wry sense of humor and humble nature, Choules — nicknamed "Chuckles" by his comrades in the Royal Australian Navy — usually told the curious that the secret to a long life was simply to "smoke a pipe and build a few sidecars"
I know now you wish I'd have been Jays customer
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Old 07-04-2013, 03:28 PM   #33
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Old 07-05-2013, 02:08 PM   #34
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Old 07-05-2013, 02:16 PM   #35
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That could explain a lot Claude.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:45 PM   #36
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I agree with Dana that could explain allot ! I'll bet the steering was spooky with that much toe in
Your a pretty good fellow Claude, you sure tried hard to wear yorself out !!!!!!
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:52 AM   #37
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You asked for a picture davebig.....but....I think we are drifting off topic here...lol.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:21 AM   #38
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We are drifting, your right.
I did overheat one the other day, not paying attention.It was a left and then a right(ohoh lite chair) and I ended up across center line before I woke up and decided to go to work(adrenline).
Was able to front brake hold turn and haul my ass to rt side and tighten turn up.My worst enemy is lethargy not paying attention.Going quickly with a sidecar is allot harder than a single BMW with a tele front end.
The biggest thing to remember when running out of experience is don't give up the ship.DB
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:15 AM   #39
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LEFT TURNS:
When any of us 'freeze at the helm' we have SIMPLY exceeded or skills envelope. In other words we have lost any reserve of options we may or may not have had in our back pocket.
In left handers hitting the front front brake can be a disaster as it will allow even more weight to transfer to the tip over line between the front and sidecar wheel This so called tip over line is the center of the radius that the bike will try to flip over the sidecar at when the rear wheel leaves the ground.
Hanging off with weight over the rear wheel as much as possible will help in the riders favor. If anyone has lifted the rear wheel of a rig in a turn away from the sidecar at speed they know it happens very quickly. It will either come back down to earth or keep on it's path. Hitting the front brake does not help it come back to earth as when the front forks compress more load is taken off the rear.
Right handers (turns toward the sidecar) seem to be the spooky thing for newbies. Left handers are the ones that newbies get brave in quickly but they can bite quickly and hard. Right handers are much more controllable once experience is gained. Lefties are controllable also but there are limits dictated by each outfit. For the most part we are talking about the dual sport /adventure type outfits here. High CoG, long suspension travel etc. is their nature and rightfully so. A jeep is not a corvette. Antiswaybars help a lot , good suspensions help also , track width helps but it may be a hindrance when off road. More lead helps but it has it's own drawbacks. Hanging off will help also but the traits in a left hand turn are still there only at a higher speed. Yep there are limits and finding them is half the challenge. Sneaking up on the limits of your own personal outfit is by far the safer way to reach them.
I shouldn't say this but breaking the rear wheel loose in left handers can be the key. This is not something that an inexperienced rider on a new machine should attempt as if it does hook up or if you hit a rut the wrong way the earth may suddenly be upside down for you.
Obviously terrain comes into play here a ton. Loose surfaces are much different than ones that provide good traction.





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Old 07-06-2013, 09:57 AM   #40
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Those are some ugly examples Claude , I may have to see what it takes to get it to slide a little going left(possibly a wet parking lot could be instructive) , I do it on loose surfaces all the time.The thing I notice is that the momentum is huge with all the mass of heavy bike and sidecar.DB
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:33 AM   #41
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Those are some ugly examples Claude , I may have to see what it takes to get it to slide a little going left(possibly a wet parking lot could be instructive) , I do it on loose surfaces all the time.The thing I notice is that the momentum is huge with all the mass of heavy bike and sidecar.DB
Don't try it without the swaybar hooked up.

Or maybe try it both ways but be careful. You WILL see a big difference. If you are gunna get crazy be sure to have someone video you...lol.
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:34 AM   #42
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Don't try it without the swaybar hooked up.

Or maybe try it both ways but be careful. You WILL see a big difference. If you are gunna get crazy be sure to have someone video you...lol.
This can be done in right handers also but that is another story.
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:07 PM   #43
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If you want something fun set the rebound dampening on your rear shock to as low as it will go and then try some hot left handers on twisty mountain roads. This generally scares the hell out of people who are following me on 2 wheelers.

"Disclaimer, if you do this and you are not extremely careful then make sure you have someone following to film the flipover for us."
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Old 07-06-2013, 03:07 PM   #44
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If you want something fun set the rebound dampening on your rear shock to as low as it will go and then try some hot left handers on twisty mountain roads. This generally scares the hell out of people who are following me on 2 wheelers.

"Disclaimer, if you do this and you are not extremely careful then make sure you have someone following to film the flipover for us."
Frankly I would not recommend this as you can get in trouble real quick. Much depends on the outfit itself of course. A very stiff sidecar suspension may be able to hold it's own especially if it is a light sidecar ...however....even then it can get you in trouble quickly.

Dana don't you have a Friendship I sidecar on your GS bike that still has the torsion suspension on it? Quite a different animal than many of these other reader's outfits. Wheel lead also comes into play.

Like you disclamer ..lol.
>>"Disclaimer, if you do this and you are not extremely careful then make sure you have someone following to film the flipover for us."[/<<
When a rear wheel lifts it happens quickly. It may usually just come right back down. I have flipped the bike over the sidecar as I probably have mentioned here before and it would make a good video. Watching the video from a hospital bed may not be that much fun though
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