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Old 07-09-2013, 01:32 PM   #3046
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Had he crashed in the race at Assen, could have been a very serious medical emergency,
Is that not true every time they take to the track?
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:54 PM   #3047
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Is that not true every time they take to the track?
Yeah, he took a calculated risk just like we all do every time we get on our bikes.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:27 PM   #3048
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Yeah, he took a calculated risk just like we all do every time we post on ADVrider.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #3049
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:52 PM   #3050
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:53 PM   #3051
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:32 AM   #3052
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Is that not true every time they take to the track?
Sure, they always risk their health, even their lives, when they go out on the track. But JLo had a very specific additional risk of getting that recently installed plate, screws and/or bone pieces pushed around, and pop a large blood vessel, for example, and the consequences can be life-threatening. Of course something like that can always happen, if a rider gets unlucky, but here the probability in case of a crash was much higher than normal.

At the very least, a crash in the race at Assen would have meant, that his healing period from the original injury became much longer. Iīm not sure, if it was wise to play around with this kind of risks. At the end of the day, your life should be more important to you, than a world championship title. Ballsy, no doubt, but also a bit stupid, when you factor in the very real risk, and combine it with the serious consequences.

But thatīs really just my 0.02 on the subject.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:56 AM   #3053
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At the end of the day, your life should be more important to you, than a world championship title.
No it shouldn't.

You only have to look at the frozen corpses on Everest to see that some people take personal goals more seriously than others.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:08 AM   #3054
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Sure, they always risk their health, even their lives, when they go out on the track. But JLo had a very specific additional risk of getting that recently installed plate, screws and/or bone pieces pushed around, and pop a large blood vessel, for example, and the consequences can be life-threatening. Of course something like that can always happen, if a rider gets unlucky, but here the probability in case of a crash was much higher than normal.

At the very least, a crash in the race at Assen would have meant, that his healing period from the original injury became much longer. Iīm not sure, if it was wise to play around with this kind of risks. At the end of the day, your life should be more important to you, than a world championship title. Ballsy, no doubt, but also a bit stupid, when you factor in the very real risk, and combine it with the serious consequences.

But thatīs really just my 0.02 on the subject.
i cant beleive you take that line on it.These guys arent tiddlywink players.They risk their life everytime they twist the throttle to the stop.They risk it to be a world champion.If jlo sits out 1 or two rounds he severely limits his chances of being the world champion.And he rides his Yamaha to be the world champion not to make up the numbers.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:29 AM   #3055
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JLo skipping Assen would not have decided the championship. But with a little more bad luck, it could have severely affected his whole future sporting career. So pardon me, if I think it was a bit foolhardy to jump on his bike and race. I am glad, that it all worked out great for him, but he just put too much at stake. And mind you again, by doing this he did precisely the opposite to what his doctors had adviced him to do. Heīs not a medical expert, so to me he was playing around with his health. Everybody, including him knew fully well, that he cannot afford to go down again, and itīs not always in your own hands. He was taken out by another rider one year before.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:06 AM   #3056
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I agree on both counts; courageous, and a wee bit foolhardy, at the sme time. But at the end of the day, with the current arrangement, it was his decision. Agreed to by the 1. The Circuit Doctor. 2. The Medical Director. 3. The Race Director. (In that order)
Maybe it's time for some hard and fast rules to be written up? In a lot of other sports, anaesthetic is regarded as no different to concussion, and the athlete is forced out for up to a week....
Ballsy, though. Respect from here.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:11 AM   #3057
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JLo skipping Assen would not have decided the championship. But with a little more bad luck, it could have severely affected his whole future sporting career. So pardon me, if I think it was a bit foolhardy to jump on his bike and race. I am glad, that it all worked out great for him, but he just put too much at stake. And mind you again, by doing this he did precisely the opposite to what his doctors had adviced him to do. Heīs not a medical expert, so to me he was playing around with his health. Everybody, including him knew fully well, that he cannot afford to go down again, and itīs not always in your own hands. He was taken out by another rider one year before.
I vote with Pecha72. There is always another race weekend and another championship. Athletes need to take care of their body first and foremost. Then of course, they want to be able to pursue activities after they retire too. Proper rehab is part of being able to.

Jlo was lucky. It turned out well for him. But it wasn't smart.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:53 AM   #3058
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JLo skipping Assen would not have decided the championship. But with a little more bad luck, it could have severely affected his whole future sporting career. So pardon me, if I think it was a bit foolhardy to jump on his bike and race. I am glad, that it all worked out great for him, but he just put too much at stake. And mind you again, by doing this he did precisely the opposite to what his doctors had adviced him to do. Heīs not a medical expert, so to me he was playing around with his health. Everybody, including him knew fully well, that he cannot afford to go down again, and itīs not always in your own hands. He was taken out by another rider one year before.
We are not talking about the sport of badminton. I doubt very many doctors would ever recommend ANYONE to ride a motogp bike around a track. He passed the medical screening and accepted to ride in competent mind. His doctors gave him ADVICE not an order. He chose not to accept the docs advice like thousands do every day. I can't believe people are questioning his decision. These guys do not get to where they are by backing off or quitting. All out is all they know.

I, for one, am super impressed. I have never been a Lorenzo fan. After that gutsy ride I am now.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:02 AM   #3059
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JLo skipping Assen would not have decided the championship. But with a little more bad luck, it could have severely affected his whole future sporting career. So pardon me, if I think it was a bit foolhardy to jump on his bike and race. I am glad, that it all worked out great for him, but he just put too much at stake. And mind you again, by doing this he did precisely the opposite to what his doctors had adviced him to do. Heīs not a medical expert, so to me he was playing around with his health. Everybody, including him knew fully well, that he cannot afford to go down again, and itīs not always in your own hands. He was taken out by another rider one year before.
You should move to one of those coddling European Socialist countries . .

So much hand wringing. He raced, he didn't crash, he didn't die. I'm not fan of lorentho but serious testicular fortitude on his part. It's why we like this sport.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:09 AM   #3060
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I think this all comes down to defining where the line between heroic bravery and pig-headed stupidity lies. My mom would see that line in a different place than all of us , and in the details we see it differently. Lorenzo got away with it, that makes it bravery, once. If he pulled this kind of thing over and over I'd not call it bravery....
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