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Old 07-11-2013, 12:54 PM   #78586
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They are SO used to riding the newest bike of their choice with only the latest suspension mods and every farkle known to man delivered to their door and installed by their shop mechanic that they have no real use for a DR or KLR.

Why ride an economy bike when a 2014 690 needs testing? Or a 990,or the latest GS,newest Husaberg/KTM/BETA or what ever.
DR's are below their radar.

Magazine guys are a jaded lot and dont really identify with guys who have to buy their own bikes and even work on them themselves.
They are quickly bored and need a new shinier fix regularly.
Very true, especially staff at the Dirt Bike magazines. At City Bike (San Fran) we were a bit different. We embraced the DR (I attended the original product Launch in the Mojave in 1996) and our publisher owned two DR650's and supported the idea of low cost bikes for budget conscious riders. We lent out DR test bikes out to everyone ... no one could break them.

We even supported and sponsored some RTW travelers ... like Ted Simon and Greg Frasier ... and several more unknown riders. So not ALL mags are bad guys!

The shiny mag guys are jaded ... their purview is Race Bikes and the Moto Cross business (stress BUSINESS here) for the most part. Their demographic are ages 12 to 19. They just don't get ADV travel or exploring ... and it doesn't pay the bills either. Look at who there advertisers are. But there are ... thankfully, other mags ... and of course ADV rider.

The Dirt Bike mag guys rarely leave the L.A. area on a motorbike ... and never travel solo off road. If they go somewhere, it's in a $40,000 pick up truck on loan from Ford or Toyota. None ride on the street.

So, grain of Salt here. Don't take offense. Take heart and support mags like MCN. Editor Dave Searle has done specials all about the DR650 and understands LOTS of "Real" working man riders love this bike. He owns one and "gets" the DR 100%.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:07 PM   #78587
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I hate to say it but I ride mine everywhere,its just part of the deal for me.

I can readily see how time can be saved by loading a bike into a van though.
Yea, and it's all about time for me. I want quality time in the saddle. I go away with the same 3 guys every year for 2 weeks somewhere. Big 2,500 mile off road trips. And if we had to ride there from Joisey, then take the time to swap out tires and yad yada yada, well, it just wouldn't be possible. Our entire 2 weeks is on the planned route.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:21 PM   #78588
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Chain lube per BergDonk

"When lubing a chain, lube it on the inside of the run aiming towards the side plates each side to encourage lube to get down between the roller and pin. Then lube is centrifuged out between the side plate and rollers, and then some gets into the roller bush area. Lubing on the outside means some lube gets between the roller and sprocket teeth and the rest gets flung off"
Absolutely. I know this is true, because when my chain gets dry enough to kink, and I lube it in this manner, bingo! Kinks gone. Looking closely at the chain, I reasoned that space between the inner plate and roller was big enough to let oil in, and it would travel along the bushing, and centrifugal force would bring it back out in other places where it's needed.
PS: I don't often let my chain get dry enough to kink.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:29 PM   #78589
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Take heart and support mags like MCN. Editor Dave Searle has done specials all about the DR650 and understands LOTS of "Real" working man riders love this bike. He owns one and "gets" the DR 100%.
Ditto on this. That multi issue coverage instigated my son-in-laws purchase, followed by mine and then my sons.

Only moto mag I subscribe to. Agreed, Grifter, "business" has to be their focus or they won't be around.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:44 PM   #78590
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Very true, especially staff at the Dirt Bike magazines. At City Bike (San Fran) we were a bit different. We embraced the DR (I attended the original product Launch in the Mojave in 1996) and our publisher owned two DR650's and supported the idea of low cost bikes for budget conscious riders. We lent out DR test bikes out to everyone ... no one could break them.

We even supported and sponsored some RTW travelers ... like Ted Simon and Greg Frasier ... and several more unknown riders. So not ALL mags are bad guys!

The shiny mag guys are jaded ... their purview is Race Bikes and the Moto Cross business (stress BUSINESS here) for the most part. Their demographic are ages 12 to 19. They just don't get ADV travel or exploring ... and it doesn't pay the bills either. Look at who there advertisers are. But there are ... thankfully, other mags ... and of course ADV rider.

The Dirt Bike mag guys rarely leave the L.A. area on a motorbike ... and never travel solo off road. If they go somewhere, it's in a $40,000 pick up truck on loan from Ford or Toyota. None ride on the street.

So, grain of Salt here. Don't take offense. Take heart and support mags like MCN. Editor Dave Searle has done specials all about the DR650 and understands LOTS of "Real" working man riders love this bike. He owns one and "gets" the DR 100%.
I agree totally,CITY BIKE is a class act,they cater to the little man,offered psychiatric advice when needed to lost readers,generally tried to keep things real.

I saw the "world's oldest newspaper boy" and listened to him speak at the Auburn fairgrounds BMW rally. A true rebel and I liked him.

Is City Bike teats up? Hard to find it in Chico so I havent kept up.
I'll have to check out MCN.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:51 PM   #78591
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Yea, and it's all about time for me. I want quality time in the saddle. I go away with the same 3 guys every year for 2 weeks somewhere. Big 2,500 mile off road trips. And if we had to ride there from Joisey, then take the time to swap out tires and yad yada yada, well, it just wouldn't be possible. Our entire 2 weeks is on the planned route.
I admit it,Im damn lucky. Here in Nor Cal the offroad/dirtroad starts 30 miles from my house and I can head to Nevada,Idaho,Utah,Colorado and beyond,with out using much pavement at all.

Or ride local singletrack till Im worn to a frazzle.

Then head to the Coast on mostly dirt roads and really good backroads with next to 0 traffic.

Its a rough deal.....but someones got to do it.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:11 PM   #78592
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Need some help. So I had the chain replaced. I noticed slop when I put it back together holding the rear of the tire and pulling back and forth. Checking rear wheel bearings everything seems smooth with no slop. Checking the cush hub bearing it feels rough and there is slop. Bearing has 22k on it now. The cush hub rubbers look a little worn (new before trip started). Napa in town has 2 bearings that match the skf part number and I'm getting both. Anything else I need to know? I've read about spacers and all that and I'm not too familiar with this part of the bike.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:15 PM   #78593
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Need some help. So I had the chain replaced. I noticed slop when I put it back together holding the rear of the tire and pulling back and forth. Checking rear wheel bearings everything seems smooth with no slop. Checking the cush hub bearing it feels rough and there is slop. Bearing has 22k on it now. The cush hub rubbers look a little worn (new before trip started). Napa in town has 2 bearings that match the skf part number and I'm getting both. Anything else I need to know? I've read about spacers and all that and I'm not too familiar with this part of the bike.
Check procycle http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html#drivetrain

they have the rubbers and the bearing and seal you need. It will come in the mail i like 2 days and you'll save gasoline by not running around looking for what you need.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:16 PM   #78594
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I agree totally,CITY BIKE is a class act,they cater to the little man,offered psychiatric advice when needed to lost readers,generally tried to keep things real.

I saw the "world's oldest newspaper boy" and listened to him speak at the Auburn fairgrounds BMW rally. A true rebel and I liked him.

Is City Bike teats up? Hard to find it in Chico so I havent kept up.
I'll have to check out MCN.
"The World's Oldest ..." sold off City Bike a few years back. It is still out there ... but all the good writers are gone now. Gabe is editor and is good, a funny guy. But he and his partner are there to make money (good luck with that on a FREE newspaper! ) ... so the "old" City Bike is truly gone.

The World's Oldest and I ride quite a bit. We just did a Trinity Alps tour, rode Baja last year and meet up on the infamous Sunday Morning Ride
once in a while. Here he is riding my DR a few months back. Still kicking and doing good for an old guy ... still has his old '93 R100GS Bumble Bee.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:25 PM   #78595
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"The World's Oldest ..." sold off City Bike a few years back. It is still out there ... but all the good writers are gone now. Gabe is editor and is good, a funny guy. But he and his partner are there to make money (good luck with that on a FREE newspaper! ) ... so the "old" City Bike is truly gone.

The World's Oldest and I ride quite a bit. We just did a Trinity Alps tour, rode Baja last year and meet up on the infamous Sunday Morning Ride
once in a while. Here he is riding my DR a few months back. Still kicking and doing good for an old guy ... still has his old '93 R100GS Bumble Bee.
He doesn't look that old. How old is old?
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:04 PM   #78596
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the DR650 thread

Well the counter sprocket was a little more hooked then I thought after pulling it off.


So a little 10k mile freshen up was in order.
New counter sprocket
Cush hub rubbers (slid right in)


And new Cush hub bearing pressed in for good measure.


Ready to rock


New fork seals waiting in the wings.


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Old 07-11-2013, 03:20 PM   #78597
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Need some help. So I had the chain replaced. I noticed slop when I put it back together holding the rear of the tire and pulling back and forth. Checking rear wheel bearings everything seems smooth with no slop. Checking the cush hub bearing it feels rough and there is slop. Bearing has 22k on it now. The cush hub rubbers look a little worn (new before trip started). Napa in town has 2 bearings that match the skf part number and I'm getting both. Anything else I need to know? I've read about spacers and all that and I'm not too familiar with this part of the bike.
Freeze the bearing, heat the hub with a heat gun and press it in with a hydraulic press if you can. If not a socket and hammer will do just be careful to keep the bearing on an even keel going in.
There is an inner cush hub spacer and obviously 2 outboard ones as well.
Russ is right got my PC order here on east coast really quick.

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Old 07-11-2013, 03:44 PM   #78598
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Starting out and trying to learn riding tough off road on a DR650 is a mistake. It's a great bike but takes an experienced rider to make the TAT.
You could make it ... but it might not be all that much FUN! And having FUN is what it's all about.

Starting on a small, lightweight 250 will give you confidence straight away.
Confidence means FUN. Being able to relax and not DREAD the next tough section is a BIG PLUS ... and good reason to go with lighter trail capable bike. The Sherpa is OK, but IMO, there are BETTER choices.

I'm sure you've heard of the Yamaha WR250R and Kawasaki KLX250S.
Both out perform the heavier and poorly suspended Sherpa.

Used KLX's are priced reasonable, WR's are expensive but hold their value pretty well. In a year or so of trail riding on the 250 ... you may be ready to tackle the DR650. The DR is a GREAT road and travel bike. Could easily do the Cross Country portion on your trip (highway). The DR is also just fine on Two Track if not too rocky, muddy, or Steep. The TAT offers all those obstacles ... and it's why I vote NO on the DR for that ride as a Novice off road rider.

I've seen expert street riders with 30 years experience be totally, 100% put off dirt riding simply because they started off riding a BIG 650 Dual Sport. These guys just "assumed" a 650 was small! (compared to their R1200GS)

Many gave it up completely and have never come back to it. Why? Because they fell over, got hurt, we're afraid of the bike and were OUT OF CONTROL ... and had NO FUN.
If it's not FUN, why do it?
Experienced riders are used to being IN CONTROL .... and dirt riding, by it's nature, means you have to let go of all that and deal with everything being loose and disconnected and the bike moving around under you, a bit out of control. There is a learning curve which is more easily achieved on a small, light weight trail bike.
Thanks for the advice... this does put the noob dirt rider part of me in the right frame of mind.
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:48 PM   #78599
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Thanks for the advice... this does put the noob dirt rider part of me in the right frame of mind.
If ur not " feeling it" in Utah take the go around and avoid Eagle Canyon. I loved it but it is a very long sandy section with few options out.
Someone posted a video of him dropping his DR off a cliff. That was Eagle Canyon.


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Old 07-11-2013, 04:16 PM   #78600
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Freeze the bearing, heat the hub with a heat gun and press it in with a hydraulic press if you can. If not a socket and hammer will do just be careful to keep the bearing on an even keel going in.
There is an inner cush hub spacer and obviously 2 outboard ones as well.
Russ is right got my PC order here on east coast really quick.

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Thanks. As luck would have it there was a shop that pressed the bearing in for me (not carrying a press ). I hope he got the spacers right.. I know of two myself- the one that goes on the inside where the cush rubbers are (that slides into the bearing) and the one on the outside where the seal is. Putting it back together everything feels tight and solid. The bearing that came out was shot and had rusty watery grease coming out. The bearing from Napa is the same skf part number and its double sealed. I also picked up a second as a backup. I'm glad I caught it otherwise it could have took out my sprocket carrier right?

Cush hub rubbers are worn, and of course none here. Gonna order those and have them shipped along with a seal (one I'm using looks fine, but just to be thorough). While I'm at it, I might pick up some wheel bearings too as this has me a little rattled. Not sure I want to go pro cycle after reading about jammin jays fiasco with the all balls. I think my wheel bearings are fine (no rust, no slop, smooth) to make Whitehorse. Man, sand and mud and water crossings does a real number..
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