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Old 03-21-2012, 09:37 PM   #76
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Anyone know if a 150X225mm spring off an 950 Adventure will fit a Super Enduro?
SuperPlush has the 150 that fits the SE..

It will fit but I would not recommend it.. The SE spring has a 59mm inner diameter the ADV is 63mm, lots of play. It does not load the collars correctly..

As for the discrepancy in spring preload I have found that a new spring takes less preload than one with some miles on it..
I am 240 in gear and am running a 150 rear and 64's in the front... 76mm basically 3in race sag is where this thing is happy..
My first stock 140 started right at 215 and when removed it was 205mm.. Same deal with the front end kept dropping, I kept adding preload untill I was up to 35mm and replaced the springs.. From what I have seen springs do wear and get shorter, especially with this much weight on them ..IMO
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:01 PM   #77
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Been following this thread. I too experienced the exact same sag and stiff ride with the stock setup. I'm 6'3", 195lbs. " quote

We are close in weight so I guess you can compare directly with my 12 kg measurments, (maybe???). If a 12kg directly equals a 120 I don't know, probably close enough but I hope Trailtricks or Superplush chimes in on that. Kennyd gave me some of his numbers too, sounds like you get alot of resistance till you just drop off down around the 11.2 iirc???

I can't give any real impressions of the Trailtrick 12kg spring as my shock is FUBAR again. I know my sag was getting closer but I doubt it was enough. Like others I was only using full travel under huge hits, like dropping 15' off a downhill double and clipping the landing. I think I could have gone lighter than the 12 but Javier though I'd be getting what I want from it. Till I get a real ride on it with the shock working I won't know for sure.
i THINK YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THE SHOCK IS VACUUM BLEED FROM THE TUNNER SO IS NO AIR TRAP,PUT 8MM O PRELOAD IN THAT 12KG ,CHECK RIDER SAG ,RIDE IT AND RECHECK THE SAG AFTER COUPLE O RIDES.
I RUN A 12KG BEFORE AND WAS A LITTLE SOFT FOR MY 225 LBS GEAR UP,LIKE BETTER THE12-15 THE I HAVE ON IT NOW .
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Old 03-23-2012, 05:16 PM   #78
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Got my shock back today, hopefully it won't fail again till I at least get a feel for the 12kg spring!
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:03 PM   #79
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Navin, how's your shock?

I just received the .56kg/mm front springs and 11.2kg/cm (mm?) rear spring from Kenny (sourced from Slavin, apparently), and need to put 'em on my SE. Lack of tools, time, knowledge and patience are probably going to drive me to Scuderia (KTMTwins) this week for install. Will report back soon.

Incidentally, I went to look at an xr650r for sale over the weekend. Reminded me how much I loved the soft feel of that bike. If I could get the 950SE to roll like that I'd be a very happy man. If I can't, it may be time to sell the SE.

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Old 06-05-2012, 08:38 AM   #80
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I've only gotten a few short rides and one lap of racing on it but it works well, no complaints yet. I haven't even started spinning adjusters, too little time right now, but it was tracking straight with good feel at race speeds in sand whoops and has been on rocky trails with good feel again. Some small jumps got the ends compressed and they both took the hits without complaint or bottoming.

I need more time on it but it looks to be good, far better than it was!
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:30 PM   #81
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Got my 11.2 and mounted it up. Definitely better than stock. Still want to go softer though. Anyone trade me a 10.5 for my 11.2? Only 600 street miles on it.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:31 PM   #82
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The 640 Rear spring and shock look very similar to the SE.

Anyone know what the spring rate is on the 640 ? That may be a solutions to a hard rear end.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:14 PM   #83
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Forget that.. the 640 ADV is 70 / 260 as opposed to 140/215 on the SE.

But in laymans terms.. whats the difference ?

Anyone ?
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The 640 Rear spring and shock look very similar to the SE.

Anyone know what the spring rate is on the 640 ? That may be a solutions to a hard rear end.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:40 PM   #84
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Thanks Hodgo. If the units are the same, the 640 has a really skinny-tall spring. I'm guessing they are different scales.

Need the 59mm diameter, 215mm length (though I'd bet a 245 length would fit without trouble--and give me the ride height I want WITH some pre-load).

I guess I'll post a wanted ad in the Flea Market and in the link stuck to the top of the Orange Crush page.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:03 PM   #85
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The diameter is 59mm and they look very similar in size.

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Thanks Hodgo. If the units are the same, the 640 has a really skinny-tall spring. I'm guessing they are different scales.

Need the 59mm diameter, 215mm length (though I'd bet a 245 length would fit without trouble--and give me the ride height I want WITH some pre-load).

I guess I'll post a wanted ad in the Flea Market and in the link stuck to the top of the Orange Crush page.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:16 AM   #86
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Forget that.. the 640 ADV is 70 / 260 as opposed to 140/215 on the SE.

But in laymans terms.. whats the difference ?

Anyone ?
Not sure exactly what you're asking. . . . but the first number is the spring rate (7.0 kg/mm vs. 14.0 kg/mm), the second number is uncompressed length in mm. The spring rates are so different because the 640 has a linkage rear suspension, the SE does not.
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Old 08-11-2012, 02:29 PM   #87
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Thanks Slacks... Thats exactly what I was wanting to know. Explains why such a big difference in rates.
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:13 PM   #88
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Hey everyone,

Great thread!

I bought a SE last summer that was well setup except stock suspension. It has the Safari tank and FMF pipes with a BDCW rack and side bag mounts that work with the KTM soft bags. I weigh 185lbs without gear lower A-level dirt rider (have 2011 KTM 250XC currently) and decent track-day experience. The stock suepension felt like I was riding a plank so I had my local dealer (Carl's Cycle) (who does good valving work) revalve and ended up going to .7kg fork springs and got a custom Cannon Racecraft 9.5-11.5 Progressive spring (they build to order with specs given with about a two-week turnaround).

The front feels good and I don't dive under braking or bottom (running 1/2 turn preload). The rear is a little soft for my fully-loaded weight of probably 220. For normal riding feels pretty good but want to balance the bike better front/rear. I am currently running 12-13mm preload with static/rider sags of 46mm and 86mm without gear.

I measured without gear on a buddy's SE with an 11-13kg spring and got 39/80 at 9mm of preload (6 turns). I think I will be 45/87 with one less turn of preload (7mm) and with an 11.5-13.5 I should get 35/76 at 9mm and 40/83 at 7mm. Any thoughts between these rates? I did try a straight rate 11.5kg spring for a ride and it still felt harsh so I am leaning towards the 11-13kg. Any reason to run less than 8mm preload when using a progressive spring to keep higher in the plusher initial stroke? If any one is interested I will have my less than 1000 mile 9.5-11.5kg spring for sale in the coming weeks as well.

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