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Old 07-28-2013, 07:11 AM   #586
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Aldon Bakers training comes at a cost. Not knowing dirt bikes he doesn't really understand (or know) what he's doing. You get a guy as tight as a bow string and then get him into a deep sandy track like Millville it won't end well and it didn't. RV needs to show Aldon Baker the door (he won without him so he's obviously just a free loader) and get serious about racing he isn't a goddam gymnast.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:19 AM   #587
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so when and what channel does the 450 moto 2 air ? saw the fuel with both moto 1 then NBC only showed the 250s their schedule is utter crap...
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450 Moto 2 was on regular NBC (not NBC Sports) at 3pm. I got burned by this a week or two ago and missed the 2nd moto. Gotta love it when they are showing this stuff on 3 different networks... not sure WTF the reasoning behind that is.
TV schedule.

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Old 07-28-2013, 09:09 AM   #588
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1+3=4 (Stewart)
2+2=4 (Cannard)

Overall: Stewart.

I guess he got bonus points for winning the first Moto ?
I wasn't aware of the recent change, adding a bonus point toward the overall in case of a moto win.

I say put it back the way it was.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:11 AM   #589
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Camera parked in front of mikey before moto 1, too bad we couldn't also get one on tony the tyrant sitting there at home eating his potted meat and jello.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:18 AM   #590
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I wasn't aware of the recent change, adding a bonus point toward the overall in case of a moto win.

I say put it back the way it was.
I think the point system is based on the following:
1st-25points
2-22
3-20
4-18
5-16
6-15
7-14
8-13
9-12
10-11
11-10
12-9
13-8
14-7
15-6
16-5
17-4
18-3
19-2
20-1

So Stewart's 1st and 3rd = 45 points, while Canard's 2nd and 2nd = 44 points. JS gets the overall.

I believe this system has been in effect for awhile, it's just the stupid announcers that have had you believing different thinking a 1+3 = 4 points and a 2+2 = 4 points.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:22 AM   #591
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I believe this system has been in effect for awhile, it's just the stupid announcers that have had you believing different thinking a 1+3 = 4 points and a 2+2 = 4 points.
And the AMA rule book.

Your points structure is for championship points,which apparently go for the Pro overall winner.

Confused?

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Believe it or not, the Lucas Oil 250/450 National Championships uses a system so complicated that it stymies the ability of the fans to understand who finished where. The fans don't know who did what unless they have a calculator with them. This is counter-intuitive to the goal of any spectator sport (and MXA has been harping on it for years). Going to a National is like going to a baseball game and leaving without knowing who won?

Before delving into how the MXSports/DMG/AMA Pro Racing scores races, MXA need to explain the peccadilloes of motocross scoring.

THE OLYMPIC SYSTEM

At 99.9 percent of the races held in the USA, the riders with the best moto scores are awarded their overall placings. All ties are broken by the best result in the second moto, based on the principle that fatigue and track deterioration makes the second moto tougher than the first. The Olympic system is easy to use. A 1-1 score is perfect. Using the second moto clause, a 2-1 would beat a 1-2. All a fan has to do is add a rider’s first moto score to his second moto score and the total determines where he finishes. Thus, a 5-4, which equals nine points, beats a 3-6 (an equal nine points, but with a weaker second moto). Additionally a 5-4 (nine points) will beat a 2-8 (ten points).

THE AMA NATIONAL POINTS SYSTEM

The 2009 Lucas Oil Nationals uses the points paid for the season long points standings to determine race finishing positions. Under the AMA Pro Racing/MXSports/DMG/NPG system, first place in a moto pays 25 points, second 22, third 20, fourth 18, fifth 16, sixth 15 (after sixth place points are paid in single point increments to 20th). The AMA system is hard to use. A 1-1 score is perfect (25+25=50). The second moto clause is still used to break ties (a 2-1 would beat a 1-2 even though both riders would have 47 points). Unfortunately, after the first couple places the system gets hard to use. Under the AMA points system a 5-4 finish equals 34 points (16+18=34). However, a 5-4 does not beat either the 3-6 (35 points via 20+15=35), or a 7-3 (34 points, but a better second moto) or a 2-8 (35 points via 22+13=35), but a 3-6 does beat the 2-8 because of the better finish in moto two.

Under this system the average fans does not have a clue about what the results are (unless a rider wins both motos) because the AMA (and by "AMA" we mean every alphabet organization that lays claim to the 2009 250/450 Nationals) expects the fans to be math whizzes. And until the AMA starts handing out calculators to every fan in the stands, confusion will remain the standard operating procedure.

THE SIMPLE MXA SOLUTION

In MXA’s opinion, the event results should revert back to the Olympic scoring system. This system is understandable by everyone who has ever raced or watched a race (and the National track announcers really need all the help they can get, because they can't figure out the current points system). A 1-1 beats a 2-2 and a 2-2 beats a 1-3 (however, a 3-1 will beat a 2-2) and so on. This is what the fans understand because it is what they use for their own races. And as you get farther back in the pack, the places make more sense than points (and in fact, after 20th place, AMA National racers are scored by the Olympic system).

Returning to the Olympic system, which was used in the AMA Nationals until 1976, will have no effect on the collection of AMA points for the series championship. That will not change. A 3-1 (20+25=45) will beat a 2-2 (22+22=44) when it comes to adding up season's points. But the collection of points is a long drawn-out affair, and should not be used as the basis for the day’s results.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:37 AM   #592
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And the AMA rule book.

Your points structure is for championship points,which apparently go for the Pro overall winner.

Correct - From the rulebook: "The overall class finish for the event will be determined by combining the total championship points earned by a rider in both motos. In the event of a tie for any position, the rider with the higher finish in the second moto will be placed above the rider with the lower finish."

As I mentioned, the announcers have from time to time screwed things up by stating the determination of the winner in error (thinking it was based on moto placing and not on championship points).
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:51 AM   #593
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The man above wants it back to the olympic system.


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And the AMA rule book.

Your points structure is for championship points,which apparently go for the Pro overall winner.

Confused?

From 2009: http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/N...518684320.aspx
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:58 AM   #594
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:18 AM   #595
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Here's another place to keep track of the fucked up TV schedule.

http://www.tvracer.com/
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:37 AM   #596
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:05 PM   #597
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whoever really won aside. great racing. it ain't over yet Josh Grants crash could just as easily have been RV. those guys were hauling ASS yesterday 250 and 450's. best look I've ever had of Millville and the country has yet another named jump, the Chadapult!

awesome riding by all the pro's yesterday. awesome. that track looked worse than southwick for taxing the riders stamina. awesome riding.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:37 PM   #598
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Camera parked in front of mikey before moto 1, too bad we couldn't also get one on tony the tyrant sitting there at home eating his potted meat and jello.


A decent day for our hero #800, all things considered.

His comments on the laser issue were spot on.
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Old 07-29-2013, 10:52 AM   #599
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i can only find the first moto 250 and 450. Any where to go for this?
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:15 AM   #600
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A decent day for our hero #800, all things considered.

His comments on the laser issue were spot on.
That was actually pretty solid, considering the recent shit storm.

Looked like RV got nailed with a laser coming up that jump on the first lap.

Zap, and then flicked off like a booger.
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