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Old 08-14-2013, 11:53 AM   #31
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I have it on my 08. Love it!
But like others, the intake does complicate the situation with mapping.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:52 PM   #32
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What mod needed?

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Back to the OP....The Rottweiler Intake is a great system. I installed it on my 2013 Baja and it completely changed the bike for the better. There is a noticeable difference in power and ride-ability.

I am running the FMF Q4.1 pipes and the CPR intake (Grey Pre Filter) with the CPR (2 into 1) map.

I'd highly recommend this intake to anyone with a 990.
Can you tell me what you had to do to install it?

If you can post a list of modifications and how much did you spent I would appreciate!
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:32 PM   #33
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Back to the OP....The Rottweiler Intake is a great system. I installed it on my 2013 Baja and it completely changed the bike for the better. There is a noticeable difference in power and ride-ability.

I am running the FMF Q4.1 pipes and the CPR intake (Grey Pre Filter) with the CPR (2 into 1) map.

I'd highly recommend this intake to anyone with a 990.

couple questions as well.

1) did you disable the 02 sensors and the SAS?

2) how do you feel the mixture ratio is? you would think it might be a bit lean since your running a 2-2 exhaust system?

i have a complete rottweiler intake just waiting to go on (thank CPRFab ) but am really stressing baout the mapping.

thanks,

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Old 08-14-2013, 04:44 PM   #34
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Can you tell me what you had to do to install it?

If you can post a list of modifications and how much did you spent I would appreciate!
It is not hard to install if you are mechanically inclined. Check out their website and go to the downloads page. Then on the bottom right of that page, there is a few manuals for installing the system on your bike. you don't need to modify anything really.

http://www.rottweilerperformance.com/

Total cost was about $350 for the intake kit and the SAS block off plates. Then you will need to load a mew map into your bike depending on other mods. I'm also running the pre filter because I am mostly in the dirt.

If you are looking for more power and a better running bike, get the intake...you will be stoked.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:50 PM   #35
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couple questions as well.

1) did you disable the 02 sensors and the SAS?

2) how do you feel the mixture ratio is? you would think it might be a bit lean since your running a 2-2 exhaust system?

i have a complete rottweiler intake just waiting to go on (thank CPRFab ) but am really stressing baout the mapping.

thanks,

laramie

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Yes, I removed the SAS junk and I disabled the sensor through the TuneECU map. I had the dealer scan for codes after a few miles and nothing was found.

Don't stress about the map. I am running the CPR intake and dual FMF pipes. I loaded the CPR map for a 2 into 1 and the bike runs really good. The throttle response is insane!!

The bike does not show any symptoms for running lean. I think out of the 1200 miles since I got the intake, it back fired 2 or 3 times on decel. Not even an issue for me. You might worry if you are decelerating and the bike sounds like a firecracker.
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Old 08-15-2013, 04:01 AM   #36
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It's not that last 1/2HP that I'm looking for; yes, additional [performance would be great but I want smoothness (like the vibes that my KTM Akra map causes) and I want to run dual maps for power and economy with the switch. I also don't want to run any kind of auto tune because A) I don't want to drill out my exhaust and weld on a larger bung for the larger auto tune sensor and B) I am not going to ride for a period of time, check the values and then alter the map according to the auto tune module. If you have maps that are compatible with my setup, that's amazing and a very generous offer however I am leaving for Indianapolis for the MotoGP friday morning- thank you for the offer though.

As for Power Commander and their PC-V, it lists one model for 2007-2011 but nothing newer though I see by some posts here that it has also been used on newer bikes (12, 13). As far as I know, KTM did NOT change any wiring / harness / ECU specs from 2011 going into 2012 and 2013 so technically it should work but when I called Power Commander, they stated that they only support through 2011 and would not support my 2012 bike...annoying given my local tuner's preference for Power Commander though he has done plenty of custom tunes (both dual and individual cylinder tunes) with Bazzaz - he also stated that any sort of autotune (either the Bazzaz or PC-V auto tune) are a waste for me.


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Pc only does the newer 990 in the V because there is an ECU and wiring harness change. They don't want to put the R&D for the outdated ECU's. If you get a Bazazz there is no need to Go to a dyno unless your looking for thatlast 1/2 HP. I cangive you Air/Fuel ratios to input. Do you have oxygenated gas up here( I'm at Mosport testing all week)? Flying out of Tronto on Sunday. Maybe we can get together and Ivan give you a basic run down.
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Old 08-15-2013, 05:33 AM   #37
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Yes, I removed the SAS junk and I disabled the sensor through the TuneECU map. I had the dealer scan for codes after a few miles and nothing was found.

Don't stress about the map. I am running the CPR intake and dual FMF pipes. I loaded the CPR map for a 2 into 1 and the bike runs really good. The throttle response is insane!!

The bike does not show any symptoms for running lean. I think out of the 1200 miles since I got the intake, it back fired 2 or 3 times on decel. Not even an issue for me. You might worry if you are decelerating and the bike sounds like a firecracker.
thanks. now all i gotta do is find the time to do it. working like a dog at the moment and when i do have a weekend off, saturday is filled with honey-do's and sunday is for riding. really makes the week seem kinda short.

laters,

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Old 08-15-2013, 08:06 AM   #38
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Hey - Alongat. I'm interested in doing an intake and possibly an exhaust on my 07 990 as well. I've done the re-map thing with a Buell in the past and ended up constantly tinkering. Don't want to do that again and want to maintain good fuel mileage - so, gathering info. at this point. I'm heading to Indy GP today with several GS guys today. We'll probably camp South of the track - near the water tower across the street. If you're in the neighborhood - swing by.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:12 AM   #39
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Hey - Alongat. I'm interested in doing an intake and possibly an exhaust on my 07 990 as well. I've done the re-map thing with a Buell in the past and ended up constantly tinkering. Don't want to do that again and want to maintain good fuel mileage - so, gathering info. at this point. I'm heading to Indy GP today with several GS guys today. We'll probably camp South of the track - near the water tower across the street. If you're in the neighborhood - swing by.
Not to change the subject but what did you use for the Buell as far as a mapping tool ? Mine runa likea crap ???
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:26 AM   #40
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The guys I'm heading to Indi with didn't want to camp so we are staying at the Crown Plaza (nose turned up) and either riding or taxiing to the track for practice / qualifying / racing. Do you have email or Internet access? If not, you can also text me at 4169307405



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Not to change the subject but what did you use for the Buell as far as a mapping tool ? Mine runa likea crap ???
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:52 AM   #41
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Not to change the subject but what did you use for the Buell as far as a mapping tool ? Mine runa likea crap ???
ECM Spy... Google works wonders ill shut up now
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:30 AM   #42
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As for Power Commander and their PC-V, it lists one model for 2007-2011 but nothing newer though I see by some posts here that it has also been used on newer bikes (12, 13). As far as I know, KTM did NOT change any wiring / harness / ECU specs from 2011 going into 2012 and 2013 so technically it should work but when I called Power Commander, they stated that they only support through 2011 and would not support my 2012 bike...annoying given my local tuner's preference for Power Commander though he has done plenty of custom tunes (both dual and individual cylinder tunes) with Bazzaz - he also stated that any sort of autotune (either the Bazzaz or PC-V auto tune) are a waste for me.
Okay, here is the straight skinny on that. I just spent quite a bit of time on the phone with a very knowledgeable tech at Dyno Jet (Power Commander) and was able to verify some things we already knew, but wanted official clarification on. Feel free to edit or submit additions of opinion. We have done everything below with great success.

Models Available From Power Commander:

Dyno Jet only lists PC3's from 07-08 and PCV's from 09-11. Here is the skinny. The PCV's DO work on 2012 ADVs. We have everything they make on our 2012 ADV R (Including the LCD, switch and even the quick shifter). It is all the exact same as the 2011. The reason they do not list the 2012's is that they will not list any bike they have not personally had their hands on (good business) and the KTM dealer in Vegas has closed shop. We assured them that not only does their PCV units for 09-11 work just on 2012's, that also the dual wide-band is accepted by the PCV as well as they only list single wide band available for the Auto Tune on KTMs. They claimed that dual channel wide band's necessity for water-cooled engines is debatable as pricing for customers is a factor but admitted that dual wide band is better. They went on to say that single channel is fine for water cooled engines and only really seems to yield a 4% difference between cylinders. Air cooled bikes like Harley need the dual band.

Auto Tune for PCV:

We purchased a new 2012 ADV R purely for testing (As far as the IRS knows) and because of our intakes and plans for offering different configurations of exhausts in the future (See us at the KTM Rally to see them) and the convienience to our customers by offering pre loaded or downloadable maps, we invested in everything Dyno Jet (Power Commander) makes. We feel it is the most common piggy back tuner available and is preferred by most dyno tuners as that is what they are trained in as Dyno Jet also makes the dynometers themselves. The Auto Tune feature gives us the ability to create an unlimited amount of maps for our customers from economy all the way to pure power maps. Although many tuners will tell you that you don't need it, and they are correct in normal circumstances, it is in part because the Auto tune does their jobs for them. Some shops with dynos will never tell you about Auto Tune for that reason and some even use it on the dyno by hooking it up, setting the AFR's and just running your bike. It does exactly what a good tuner does. Just while your on the bike and constantly. An additional benifit with the add on switch and the LCD, is the ability to store a huge number of maps and switch them on the fly. One instance that we use is to install an "economy" base map that is around 14.0 + (Never more than 14.6 according to Dyno Jet) and then set the Auto Tune to a more "power" producing mode using AFR values of around 12.8 to 13.4. This allows us to turn off the Auto Tune on the fly with the switch and then turn it back on (Or load a different map with the LCD computer) and get full power once I get to my destination. This is very cool and works flawlessly. Eventually we will do a step by step article on this set up to take the fear out of it. If you can afford a $15,000.00 dirt bike, you should be smart enough to accomplish this. If not, we are here to help. If you are not worried about changing set ups or don't care to tweak stuff, Auto tune is not necessary, but very, very cool and adjusts to any set up or environment within minutes. We likey that.

Fear of loading maps:

Don't be. Our Tune ECU map for intake and 2-1 exhaust works very well if you have our intake and some sort of exhaust. Many people have thousands of miles on it with great results. It is by far rich enough to be safe and while it may be slightly lean at sea level, it is still way in the safe zone and probably producing in the mid to high 13.6 AFR's. Totally safe as your only in the red at 14.6 +. Download Tune ECU, get the cable ($70 or so) upload and save your stock map somewhere, (ECU / read ECU), open the ADV 990 2011 IN - EX - Tune ECU map, uncheck SAI radio button in the lower left to turn off the SAS FI light, uncheck 2nd throttle if you have removed your secondary butterflies, don't uncheck it if you haven't and load the CPR map. Ride. If it backfires allot, runs hot or glows the header immediately your lean. (But should not be at all)
Another double check, take a screen shot of your stock map values after you have downloaded it (read it from your ECU). After you have uploaded the CPR map ADV 990 2011 IN - EX - Tune ECU map into the ECU, "read" the map again to verify it's was downloaded properly into your ECU and compare it to the stock screen shot values. This give you piece of mind as a newbie to Tune ECU that yoiu have done it correctly.

What to expect:

  • Using our free maps will definitely get you safe and produce good power at a cheap entry.
  • Obtaining a Power Commander or other tuning devise and having your bike tuned on a dyno will be safe and make crisper and smoother power than another map that was made for another bike.
  • Using an Auto Tune is pricey, but will adjust for everything on the fly, is very safe so long as you keep the Auto Tune tables under 14.6 and is infinitely adjustable if your a tweaker and perfect for providing maps.
  • The LCD touch screen addition will allow you to see everything that is going on with the bike which give you great piece of mind, both cylinders individually if you have the dual band, allow you to see what gear your in, store multiple maps to switch on the fly, see your throttle position, RPM, fuel adjustments for that TP and RPM and so on. Super tweaker and perfect for providing maps.
  • The quick shifter is just fun on an ADV. Full throttle up shifts. Yeah.
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Old 08-15-2013, 01:58 PM   #43
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awesome write up. i am more of a lurker but i originally joined this forum so i could ask the same questions about filters and after, pardon the pun, filtering through all the bs, i ended up with a rottweiler system and am over the moon about it. one of the best mods i have found by far. install took a few hours at my skill level which is low but ultimately pretty straightforward and cpr does a great job with the support. a++ in my book all the way around. looking forward to new stuff from them.
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Old 08-15-2013, 05:56 PM   #44
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Great response, info and support from CPR. Can you address the mapping situation for the '07 and '08 990s? I understand that there is some difference that changes which maps work??

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Old 08-15-2013, 06:27 PM   #45
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Great response, info and support from CPR. Can you address the mapping situation for the '07 and '08 990s? I understand that there is some difference that changes which maps work??

Thanks
From what we understand, KTM just changed the physical wiring or the way / order it pins out. Not sure yet about the ECU. Since it's a different year it may have a different part number but work the same. We don't know that one as of this moment. One year on the 690 KTM switched polarity on its injectors. That's it! The fix at the time was to just swap the pins in the plugs which is super easy. KTM does some strange stuff sometimes and the aftermarket companies are the one's that really take the brunt of that. Including us with some strange phone calls we have taken about odd parts we have never seen.

PCV's are not available for 07 -08 ADV's anyway, only PC3 and the PC3 won't accept PCV files as the PCV came after. The PCV will take PC3 maps though.

So here is what we suggest:
If we have (or anyone) has a PCV map that you want to run but you have an older KTM 07-08 with say a PC3, we can send you a screen shot of the enrichment values for each cylinder and just copy them matching the throttle position and RPM squares one by one. Tedious I know, but effective as you are accomplishing the same thing and the RPM / TP increments are exactly the same between PC3 and PCV. Here is where a Tune ECU conversion gets tricky. Their TP / RPM increments are more detailed, which in essence is better, but gets tricky if your hand copying values square by square. They also start RPM from the bottom and PCV / 3 starts RPM at the top of the page. No bid deal but adds confusion. Oh, and the cylinders are numbered backwards (PCV is 1 in the front and KTM is 1 in the rear) so you have to account for that. Yikes.

So... We are working on an Excel conversion program where you can copy and paste your stock values from Tune ECU and then copy paste a PCV / 3 value table and use the enrichments from the PCV / 3 tables to provide a new Tune ECU map that can be copy pasted right back in and wha-la, a proper Tune ECU map. The problems we are having is the copy paste function in Tune ECU is funky and doesn't like it so far. We're working on it.
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