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Old 08-15-2013, 10:17 AM   #16
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I don't. I've tried the "take off for a few days with no plan or destination" trip a couple of times, and depending on the bike it usually results in me saying "this is stupid" and being back home the first day. Either the weekend is blown or I can come up with a plan and do it for the next couple of days.

I need either a point that I will ride the street bike to, or some route or area that I will explore with the dual sport. But my favorite kind of trip is trailering to a spot with the camper, and doing day loops out of there for a few days to a week.
That's what I think would happen to me, lol. I need a destination. I think I'm going to embrace the trailer, or at least putting bikes in the back of the truck.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:19 AM   #17
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I've tried it both ways. I like having a pretty good idea of where I'm going to end up. The whole "go where the wind blows us" sounds inviting until you pull into some town at 7:00 PM and all the motels and campgrounds are full because of the local bluegrass fetival.
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I generally ride 200 to 300 miles per day and plan every night to end up in a national forest or BLM land for free camping. If the weather is hot I try to find a high altitude camp with lots of shade, if cold I look for low altitude with sun. I try to have camp set up by at least a couple hours before sunset, sometimes as early as noon.
This sounds good.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:20 AM   #18
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This is a very timely discussion as I am planning a 10-14day trip next month. In the past I've done detailed planning and ridden with 2 or 3 other folks. The problem is I've always had to plan around having to meet someone at a certain time at a certain place or one of us HAD to be back on a certain date. It does take some of the fun out of the trip.

This will be my first solo trip over a week and besides you inmates, I haven't told anyone for fear someone would want to tag along or ask me to stop and visit them "along the way".

I have a very rough itinerary and route - Raleigh, NC to Quoddy Head, ME and back - no interstate, no repeat roads. I want to ride as long or as little as I want each day. I want to dawdle at some roadside oddity if I feel like it. I don't want to have a hard date that I have to be back - I'll be back when I'm done riding.

Yes, this trip is all about me.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:23 AM   #19
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I like very long trips, and I plan them in detail. My trips include dirt roads that I am unfamiliar with, so I draw tracks from my electronic maps and load them in my GPS to follow. I usually fly the route on Google Earth before I go. Most of the time they go through, but I have been stopped by water crossings and washouts too.

My trips call for making specific overnight destinations and fuel tops too. Out west you never want to pass an opportutnity to fuel after about 140 miles. Put those things together and I find I need a certain pace to make my schedule. That can be quite entertaining on some of the forest and farm roads along the way.

My dual sport trips typically call for 200 to 350 miles per day, depending on the terrain. XC trips on the slab call for 500-650 miles per day. I like to go coast/coast in 8 days with a few explorations thrown in for a day or day and a half.

For me the fun is making the route and schedule in advance, and then riding it. I try and predict arriving at way points within a few minutes of a target time. It's like a game.

The best trip for me has been the Alcan 5000 TSD rally. It is uber organized and requires hitting specific spots on time. We have chase trucks that haul our spares and luggage. The event is about 4600 miles over 9 days, starting from Seattle and finishing in Fairbanks. There are 2 or 3 timed sections each day, but you never rest because you have pre-determined starting times to make at each timed section.

I've entered twice and am entered in the next one in 2014. The club lays out the course and give us our road books the night before. It is quite the challenge. Then after the victory party, I ride back to Seattle, which is about 2700 miles. I do that in 3.5 days.

Here is the itinerary for 2014. We'll have about 50 motorcycles and 20 cars as starters:http://www.alcan5000.com/2014itin.htm
So this is me too. I am an obsessive planner, and I enjoy that aspect of it. I can't see doing those distances on the slab. I really, really dislike 90 mph on the highway for any length of time.

That's what it really seems to come down to. How to have a fun trip, and actually get somewhere, while limiting riding distance to 300 miles a day with minimal time on the slab at high speed.

Am I looking for the holy grail?
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:27 AM   #20
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If you limit yourself to 300 miles per day on every trip, you won't ever go far, unless you have LOTS of time off.
Especially a round trip!

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One thing I've been doing on some trips is pick a base, or "hub". I'll ride there as quickly as possible, then stay there for several nights, riding somewhere different each day. I think I like this plan much better than staying in a different place each night on a week-long trip.

Another thing I've been doing is staying two nights at many places along the way. That gives me a full day to check out whatever cool town I've chosen to stop in.

My trip back in June went like this:
Home>Cimarron>Ouray>Ouray>Ouray>Durango>Santa Fe>Santa Fe>Home

A New Mexico trip a few years ago went:
Home>Palo Duro Canyon>Santa Fe>Santa Fe>Santa Fe>Taos>Taos>Red River>Woodward>Home

A trip to Colorado a few years ago went like this:
Home>Denver>Denver>Crested Butte>Denver>Denver>Denver>Salida>Salida>Salida>Salida>Home
I'm starting to think this is what I'll have to do.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:28 AM   #21
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This is a very timely discussion as I am planning a 10-14day trip next month. In the past I've done detailed planning and ridden with 2 or 3 other folks. The problem is I've always had to plan around having to meet someone at a certain time at a certain place or one of us HAD to be back on a certain date. It does take some of the fun out of the trip.

This will be my first solo trip over a week and besides you inmates, I haven't told anyone for fear someone would want to tag along or ask me to stop and visit them "along the way".

I have a very rough itinerary and route - Raleigh, NC to Quoddy Head, ME and back - no interstate, no repeat roads. I want to ride as long or as little as I want each day. I want to dawdle at some roadside oddity if I feel like it. I don't want to have a hard date that I have to be back - I'll be back when I'm done riding.

Yes, this trip is all about me.
This is what I need to do, just to see if I enjoy it. That will tell me a lot I think.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:34 AM   #22
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is that approval? or disapproval?

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Old 08-15-2013, 10:40 AM   #23
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The reason that I never plan in advance is very simple; there's simply no way to know and/or prepare for everything. You can plan as detailed a route as you want but there is always going to be setbacks, unplanned this or that and then you're constantly chasing where you're supposed to be. This is probably also why I never ride in groups.....
Why frustrate yourself for no reason? Bring a tent, some water and food, proper gear and allow the trip to take you. Any traveler will tell you that; you dont take a trip, a trip takes you
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:44 AM   #24
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I really dislike having a time table. I am not fond of riding with someone else, I want to keep going or stop when I want, go where I want, and stay where I want..
amen brother. There's nothing like a solo trip and just pointing your front wheel and going.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:51 AM   #25
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I pick a destination first and then look at maps for alternate routes to that destination. I normally don't fix waypoints because they get in the way of stops, possibilities for detours, exploring on foot, finding a nice place to stay even if it's mid-day, etc. Distance covered is of no particular interest unless I MUST get from A to B in a certain time frame.

I tried riding with others but found that I had to make too many consessions.

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This is a very timely discussion as I am planning a 10-14day trip next month. In the past I've done detailed planning and ridden with 2 or 3 other folks. The problem is I've always had to plan around having to meet someone at a certain time at a certain place or one of us HAD to be back on a certain date. It does take some of the fun out of the trip.

This will be my first solo trip over a week and besides you inmates, I haven't told anyone for fear someone would want to tag along or ask me to stop and visit them "along the way".

I have a very rough itinerary and route - Raleigh, NC to Quoddy Head, ME and back - no interstate, no repeat roads. I want to ride as long or as little as I want each day. I want to dawdle at some roadside oddity if I feel like it. I don't want to have a hard date that I have to be back - I'll be back when I'm done riding.

Yes, this trip is all about me.
Can I go? Just kidding!!!!

I am "planning", and I use that term very loosely, to take a trip the week of Labor Day. At first I invited my Uncle, but he never responded, so I just dropped it. I have asked my wife to try to get the time off from work so she can go too (she has her own bike). I have NOT told any of my usual riding buddies about it.

I am not sure where we will go. Mrs. B wants to go to Florida. I would rather be beaten with a stick than to go to Florida. I want to go to Colorado. She did say she would like to go to Maine sometime, so we may end up there. Maine and Colorado are both about the same distance, two long hard days. I am thinking of throwing the bikes on the trailer and towing them, then set up a "base camp" for a couple of nights, or maybe the whole time, and just do day rides from there. If hte weather is bad, we can use the truck if we need to go some where. I am not sure if we will tent camp, or rent a cabin.

There is still the possibility that she will not be able to get the time off, in which case I may just strap a small tent and sleeping bag on the bike and go by myself.
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Old 08-15-2013, 02:39 PM   #27
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Trick to really cover the ground is to turn the motorway drudgery into something interesting/exciting in itself. This means either really pushing the speed for a day's riding (sit at 100mph for 9 hours and only stop for fuel, nothing else), or better, doing a very long day in one hit to get the lion's share out of the way.

The alternative (which I generally prefer) is to take twice as long and go via the backroads and really explore. If you have a road-based sat nav that you can set to "avoid motorways" and "shortest route", you can find some really neat places, yet still ultimately be travelling towards your destination.
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Old 08-15-2013, 04:17 PM   #28
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To gather experience and memories is my goal.
Therefore I need no more than a destination.
My gps gives me heading and distance; a general map an understanding of the terrain.
It is probably more wandering than traveling.
What gives me pleasure is finding the route, next the experiences, encounters, discoveries along that route.

I will miss opportunities and sites that would have interested me.
I will surely loose time while backtracking because the road is blocked.
That will affect morale temporarily, but never outweigh the good stuff.
In the end the question is, did you reach your goal?

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Old 08-15-2013, 05:26 PM   #29
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I was thinking, a dual sport ride is much different from the long street rides I used to do.

Bad things can happen dirt riding out west without plans and a gps I suppose.
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Old 08-16-2013, 04:57 AM   #30
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Overall, this trip was worth it, to ride with my dad and son, but I can't see doing this type of trip again. I think I'd rather put the bike in the truck and drive there. Of course I hate even thinking that way...
I used to think that way too, but as I've gotten older (more mature? Softer? Less hardcore about riding?) my philosophy on this has changed. If you've got a lot of ground to cover to get to an area you want to ride , why not trailer there? There's nothing wrong with that.

I've done 2 trips like this in the last few years. One was with my dad who really wanted to ride the Dragon, but as he's in his late 70s and not completely healthy, there was no way he was going to ride there. I rented a trailer and we spent 3 days riding the area. Another time my family and I were invited to a wedding in Manitou Springs CO. So I trailered my bike out. I really enjoyed driving across Nebraska, talking with the wife & kids, listening to music, and precisely adjusting the a/c along the way. Would have been a boring ride there. Once we got there I was fresh and really felt like riding, and had a great time.

So depending g on the kind of trip you have in mind, I wouldn't dismiss this entirely.
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