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Old 08-22-2013, 01:47 PM   #16
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XR80-100 suggested again. You might find a deal on a TTR125 or DRZ125, and the KLX140. None are great, but they do make great trainers. Are they athletic, active, BMX type kids or ride the bike around the block slow kind of kids? What type of riding? Tight trails? Track? Deep sand? Rocks?
My kids are both very active and athletic. There are tons of areas to ride around me. There's a big flat open field with some trails to learn on, and then there are trails that range from easy light jeep trails to some gnarly single track trails that I have trouble on. No sand, but lots of rocks.

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Just curious, what kind of answers did you get from the dirt bike forum?
The most common answer was to go as big as the kids could physically fit on, and to go two-stroke... Because they'd be racing eventually and would be bored in a few days on the four strokes. It was on Thumpertalk, and to be fair, I posted it last year, but I don't get the feeling that the answers would have changed much.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:45 PM   #17
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XR80-100 suggested again. You might find a deal on a TTR125 or DRZ125, and the KLX140. None are great, but they do make great trainers. Are they athletic, active, BMX type kids or ride the bike around the block slow kind of kids? What type of riding? Tight trails? Track? Deep sand? Rocks?

If they like it, expect to buy them each a 125 2t sooner than later but let them get to the point they are pounding the starter bikes. My kids started shifting on XR80s in MX competition after racing 50cc. When they were pushing that bike to its limits, and even beating a few riders on real MX bikes, they got a KX60 for the smaller one, a RM80 for the bigger one. They were 8-9 years old. They transitioned to the 2t like it was all they ever rode and their skills built at a very fast rate.

I was looking at a ttr125 and it has a big frame and is road legal same as the drz125 big slow and road legal both are road going trail bikes in the uk
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:17 PM   #18
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Hmmm, athletic kids who will want to race too, or ride like they are racing? If yes, then a pair of 80/85s, and power-valved ones, might be a good choice. You can easily limit the throttles with a spacer above the slide or in the throttle itself. I did that when one went to a KX60 cause it was a wicked lil beast after the XR80. We raced tracks with SX whoops, and it could spool up pretty fast. The limiter was only for a few weeks and I reduced it every session to give him more RPMs.

By the time mine were 12ish they were riding 125s. The 80s aren't great trail plonkers out of the box but drop the gearing and they will be fine. -1 CS on my own WR125 worked wonders for me in tight single track.

Maybe buy one of each (XR100 and a RM80/100 for example) and force them to learn/share together? By the time one outgrows the 2t 80 he will be ready for a 125 which is much easier to deal with, then freshen up the 2t 80 and pass it down.

How tall/heavy are they?
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:07 PM   #19
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If you buy a beginner a trail bike (XR/CRF/TTR/etc.) and he/she takes to it quickly or is a natural and outgrows it, the worst that happens is you need to buy another bike in a season or two (and playbikes are typically easy to sell and used ones hold their value well).

OTOH, If you buy a beginner a race bike, they may find it hard to ride and learn and you might discourage them from riding altogether.

Just my opinion, from someone who has taught dozens of people including many women and children how to ride. I strongly believe that a CR/YZ/KX/RM or equivalent is a bad choice for anyone who has never ridden before.

My son went from a DS50 to a Beta 50 to a KX60....the KX almost turned him off riding for good and he was basically scared of it despite it being his third bike. I ended up getting him a PW80 and he loved it and I had to pry him off of it at the end of the day. He then went on to ride an XR80, CRF150R and then a Gas Gas 200EC and finally a KTM200XC on which he won the costal series of his age class in offroad racing.

My wife raced a modified KX100, so I am a fan and they can work well, but I wouldn't get one for anyone's first bike.

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Old 08-22-2013, 04:29 PM   #20
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That was why I suggested the throttle limiter. I set up our KX60 so it barely moved, maybe 1/8th throttle at first. The throttle tube was easy to limit by using a section of a Paper-mate pen. I could pull it in/out in a minute and cut it to a shorter length to give more throttle.

The other method would be a spacer above the slide, to stop it from lifting the full travel. Either must be carefully installed and certain that it will not dislodge or stick the throttle open. A section of thick hose/plastic on the cable above the slide could be made to work too.

I don't suggest you just unleash them with full access to a WFO 80cc race bike. Wrist lock will soon follow!
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:33 PM   #21
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I'm in the TTR camp also TTR50 for my grand daughter 9 years old little small.
I'm trying to get the 5yo grandson on it but he is chicken, she rides the crap out of it.

I even made her change the oil last weekend with my assistance.

Let them ride with out the clutch headache add the clutch later.
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