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Old 08-30-2013, 12:08 PM   #3451
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Ordered mine yesterday. Will be happy to write a report a soon as I can. It will be installed on a 2012 R1200GS.

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Old 08-30-2013, 12:30 PM   #3452
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Would this device help with low rpm remapping ? My 2013 R1200 GSA seems to run to rich and occasionally stalls out when slowing down to a stop. It also pops when cool. I use 93 Octane fuel and ride at sea level. I want a leaner fuel remap on my GSA. Would this do it ? I also want the flexibly to clear the real map in case I ride in higher elevations. My bike always seemed to ride too rich right from the day I bought it with 13 miles. I have 8000 miles on my bike and commute on it 1/2 the time.
I'm not the expert in this thread so take this with a grain of salt.

I've never seen a stock GS run too rich. There might be something else wrong with the bike. FWIW I've ridden my stock '07 through Leadville, CO with no noticeable degradation in performance. You can get higher than that in North America but it's not easy. If it were ever going to run rich it would have done it there.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:47 AM   #3453
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Would this device help with low rpm remapping ? My 2013 R1200 GSA seems to run to rich and occasionally stalls out when slowing down to a stop. It also pops when cool. I use 93 Octane fuel and ride at sea level. I want a leaner fuel remap on my GSA. Would this do it ? I also want the flexibly to clear the real map in case I ride in higher elevations. My bike always seemed to ride too rich right from the day I bought it with 13 miles. I have 8000 miles on my bike and commute on it 1/2 the time.
Popping and stalling is due to being too lean. Some cycles are too lean for complete combustion, which leaves unburnt hydrocabons in the exhaust. They accumulate and ignite, causing the pop.

The ICE air does not change the map. It only modifies the input to the ECU to get it to use a slightly richer part of the map on transient throttle. This is covered in the links.

If you are using gas with ethanol, try using E0 gas with no ethanol. Ethanol requires more air, which makes the engine run lean. Not all engines compensate fully for it.
Also try 91 octane. GSes run on it in states like California which do not have 93 octane. It will have a bit more energy per liter than 93. If you get detonation, then you would need to switch back to 93. But since GSes are tuned for the swill that passes for gasoline here in California, it should not be a problem. But switching to E0 would be more important for addressing your lean running symptoms.

Modern fuel injected engines compensate for altitude. They don't run rich like a carbureted engine.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:58 PM   #3454
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Can you run 87 Octane in the R1200GS?
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:39 PM   #3455
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So Poolside, how are the "Aiming for ship dates in August" orders coming along? In the last August mail today perhaps?
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Old 09-01-2013, 01:58 PM   #3456
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Can you run 87 Octane in the R1200GS?
depends - what oil are you using?
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Old 09-01-2013, 03:10 PM   #3457
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depends - what oil are you using?
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:11 PM   #3458
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So Poolside, how are the "Aiming for ship dates in August" orders coming along? In the last August mail today perhaps?
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:21 AM   #3459
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I'm asking because the ICE-Air was able to change the mixture enough that the guy with the fuel chart was able to run 87 octane? He never mentioned what year his bike was in the test. I'm not sure if older versions used 87 in the past?
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:29 PM   #3460
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So Poolside, how are the "Aiming for ship dates in August" orders coming along? In the last August mail today perhaps?
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I posted up some news about that in the Vendor thread.





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Old 09-04-2013, 06:16 AM   #3461
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I'm asking because the ICE-Air was able to change the mixture enough that the guy with the fuel chart was able to run 87 octane? He never mentioned what year his bike was in the test. I'm not sure if older versions used 87 in the past?
I don't know of any BMWs that were spec'd to run on 87. Maybe some of the detuned low compression airheads, but my '77 R100RS needed to be dual plugged to run on 91.
My 1999 1150GS would ping on 91.
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Old 09-04-2013, 01:15 PM   #3462
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Would this device help with low rpm remapping ? My 2013 R1200 GSA seems to run to rich and occasionally stalls out when slowing down to a stop. It also pops when cool. I use 93 Octane fuel and ride at sea level. I want a leaner fuel remap on my GSA. Would this do it ? I also want the flexibly to clear the real map in case I ride in higher elevations. My bike always seemed to ride too rich right from the day I bought it with 13 miles. I have 8000 miles on my bike and commute on it 1/2 the time.
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I'm not the expert in this thread so take this with a grain of salt.

I've never seen a stock GS run too rich. There might be something else wrong with the bike. FWIW I've ridden my stock '07 through Leadville, CO with no noticeable degradation in performance. You can get higher than that in North America but it's not easy. If it were ever going to run rich it would have done it there.
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Popping and stalling is due to being too lean. Some cycles are too lean for complete combustion, which leaves unburnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust. They accumulate and ignite, causing the pop.

The IICE air does not change the map. It only modifies the input to the ECU to get it to use a slightly richer part of the map on transient throttle. This is covered in the links.
Thanks for chiming in fellas, and here's my two cents, luckygrownup.

As Carlo said, the boxer motor isn't operated at what you would call a rich mixture anywhere in the operational range. Eric is on the track too. Exhaust popping for the boxer and Motronic combination is caused by the mixture swinging too lean to combust. The unburned oxygen and fuel gets ignited with-a-pop during the next exhaust stroke.

And a slight adjustment to Eric's comment. The IICE Air richens up the mixture during leading throttle acceleration, and pays small dividends during transient throttle. The big increase to transient throttle enrichment is from the IICE Cool.


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Old 09-04-2013, 01:33 PM   #3463
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Thanks for chiming in fellas, and here's my two cents, luckygrownup.

As Carlo said, the boxer motor isn't operated at what you would call a rich mixture anywhere in the operational range. Eric is on the track too. Exhaust popping for the boxer and Motronic combination is caused by the mixture swinging too lean to combust. The unburned oxygen and fuel gets ignited with-a-pop during the next exhaust stroke.

And a slight adjustment to Eric's comment. The IICE Air richens up the mixture during leading throttle acceleration, and pays small dividends during transient throttle. The big increase to transient throttle enrichment is from the IICE Cool.


Did I miss the release and sale of the IICE Cool? Or is this a "tease"..
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:37 PM   #3464
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Did I miss the release and sale of the IICE Cool? Or is this a "tease"..
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:44 AM   #3465
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